The DW Curse Will Happen Again

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  1. kinghenry89

    kinghenry89 New Member

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    The Jets are cursed with providing other teams with overpriced backups?

    There's nothing more that Woodhead could've done to make the Jets roster. It's not his fault that there are too many backs in New York--the Jets gave him every opportunity to showcase himself, and now he's gonna be able to find a job elsewhere. Feel good for him.
     
  2. kevmvp

    kevmvp Well-Known Member

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    Im not going to go Nuts about Danny Woodhead. We have Jones, Leon, and Greene who are all better then him.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    :rofl::smile:
     
  4. FriendlyGiantsFan

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    Wow! You're funny. Okay, I've ignored you because you're obviously too stupid to waste much of my time on, but now you've managed to get my attention. So please, bigmehl, would you educate me on football? Why don't you tell me about your great ideas for the Jets roster and how they can be put to use on the field? I'm asking you to tell me because I've read the bullshit you've posted elsewhere and I just can't seem to find any good ideas in there.

    Also, and this is just an FYI because I know that one as me can obviously not educate a nexus of football knowledge like yourself, but practice squad players actually don't count on the 53 man roster.

    I know this isn't the most mature and complete argument I've ever had, but you've given me nothing to argue against save for "Danny Woodhead BAD!" and a general reposting of shit everyone already knows (ie OMG! Mangini made Rhodes blitz from 25 yards out!! He iz teh sux!!).

    So, impress me kid. I know I'm a better poster than you are, I know I understand football more than you do, and I'm willing to bet I'm better looking (I've got nothing to back that last one up, I'm just generally narcissistic). Prove me wrong by posting something insightful about football or posting a cogent argument as why Woodhead should never be on a roster ever ever ever. There's a first time for time for everything, so maybe you'll actually write something semi-decent. I just can't wait to read your response!
     
  5. FriendlyGiantsFan

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    I know you were never a fan of Woodhead sticking around, but I never got your thoughts on my suggestion of using him to create matchup problems. I know you know your shit, so what do you think? I really was looking forward to Schotty using multiple shifts to keep defenses from keying on any one player and though Woodhead (who has good speed and receiving prowess) could be a part of that. Do you think it wouldn't pan out that way?
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    There's definitely some merit to your ideas, and let me clear something up about my feelings on Woodhead. I don't think it's a bad thing for Woodhead to get a chance with this team or any team. He's a quick and tough little dude that could probably be a pretty damn good COP back, although I'm just not sure about his versatility. I saw nothing from him in preseason that would suggest he had enough route-running ability to be that effective being motioned to the slot.

    As far as Danny being cut, it's not that he's useless to us, it's just that we already have a guy on the roster who does it better and we have a lot of issues on depth on our O-line.
     
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  7. bigmehl

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    Wow - Little touchy aren't - obviously the last post was a joke after days of trading our arguments over Woodhead.

    To your statements of being a better poster, and having more football knowledge, hey if that floats your boat - pat yourself on the shoulder. I've been following the Jets since the late sixties , played football in HS and college and have some experience coaching youth teams - but I guess I should go register for the Jets football 101 class - because you said so.

    I've posted countless repsonses as to why Woodhead should not be on the team , but first and foremost is that he does not fit the power football scheme that Rex Ryan wants to run plain and simple - what's so hard to understand about that.
     
  8. CatoTheElder

    CatoTheElder 2009 Comeback Poster of the Year

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    dude, just let it go
     
  9. FriendlyGiantsFan

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    I'll admit you got me before I had finished my coffee and I was a LOT more snippy than I had intended to be. But regardless of that, I think you're limiting what this offense could be by saying it's a "power football" scheme. I am not saying the Jets won't be a run based offense, but the backbone of a strong running game allows for misdirection and deception to wreck havoc upon an opposing D when they are employed. Keep in mind that this was the type of offense Schotty first ran with the Jets back in '06; heretofore he hasn't really shown any kind of predisposition towards a power running game (save for feeding Jones last year, but I would HARDLY call that a power-running offense).

    I also think that if the Jets truly do want to run a 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense they should have more depth on the OL. It's great to have 2 powerbacks and a bruising FB, but that won't make up a mediocre OL (which the Jets may very well have to deal with if anyone on the OL goes down for more than a few quarters). If the Jets were truly going to run this offense Woodhead would not have been cut in favor of Kevin O'Connell (though obviously there is rampant speculation that a trade could emerge from this) but rather for another OL or large RB of sorts.

    I obviously don't like the move while you obviously do, but I don't really see where you're coming from logically. I understand Woodhead isn't a powerback, but I don't see how keeping him on the team somehow precludes the Jets from having a power running game; Jones, Greene, and Richardson should be more than sufficient for that.
     
  10. FriendlyGiantsFan

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    Agree on the depth issue totally. I think this could hurt the team more than any rookie growing pains for Sanchez or Ryan.
     
  11. bigmehl

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    I'll agree that Shotty's offense used lot's of motion and was more wide open in 06. I'll propose that the main reason he did this was due to the swiss cheese Oline we had. The running game was non-existant so lot's of motion and misdirection were used to try and create mismatches and confusion at the point of attack. Now , I will agree that Shotty , probably prefers a more wide open attack as this is how he cut his teeth in the Chargers offense. I believe he was reigned in substantialy in 07 by Mangini and last year the Favre fiasco changed and limited our offensive gameplans significantly

    While Ryan has stated he'll let Shotty call the offensive plays , you can't ignore the fact that Ryan has stressed he wants a power running game and has used the Ravens as an example. Having a rookie QB , further strengthens the argument for a run based approach - again I'll point to the Ravens last year with Flacco. I think we'll still see the motion and gadget plays from Shotty this year , but I believe a majority of that will come form our wideouts ( Smith/Clowney/Stuckey)

    I agree OL depth is a concern as it is on most NFL teams, this is another reason why I preferred not to carry Woodhead on the 53. I'm not sure what to make of the O'Connell signing , I've speculated that perhaps Clemens is injured more than we know and the Jets like the fact that O'Connell has AFC East experience. Also supposedly he was high on their draft charts. I seriously doubt he was signed to trade off, if that was the case why wouldn't the "other" team have traded directly with the Lions.

    Obviously, we're going to agree to disagree on the Woodhead scenario- so I'll leave it at that .
     
  12. FriendlyGiantsFan

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    I see where you're coming from, though I don't necessarily agree with it. I don't know about the WRs running the misdirection plays as I think defenses will be crowding the LOS as it is. I guess we'll see how closely Rex is following the Ravens model shortly; if Lorenzo Neal is brought in then we can assume it's going to be pretty freaking close.

    I do apologize again for my short temper before, I'm going to not post unless the caffeine level in my blood is above a certain point!
     
  13. bigmehl

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    No problem - we all have our moments
     

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