The Dunces Have Elected A Dunce

I never said there was but I haven't researched that.
I know there have been parts of laws that were ruled unconstitutional or unlawful that lawmakers have then gone back and rewritten eliminating the unconstitutional areas.

Do you think Trump attempting to rewrite an Executive Order is grounds for removing him from office?

 

I think Ron just needs his own private sandbox where he can continue to be amazed at the shenanigans of the Republican Party, posting any and every negative story about them, while he ignores the fact the Democratic Party is just as full of shit.

 

I'm not saying that at all but rather questioning your reasoning that this happens all the time with politicians..... I am not sure that it does.

I think it is an important distinction that this is over an executive order vs. a bill signed into law. There is a very, very big difference between something that has passed through the halls and debates of congress vs. something a flaky-ass president on his own wrote up with a crayon.

That's why I asked are there examples of other president's getting their EO's shot down by the courts only to modify and write a new one because they didn't like the court's opinion? maybe there is, Idk, I am asking... or maybe it unprecedented . Either way I don't think a law passed through 2 branches of government before the courts shoot it down is an apt comparison

 

....and what this "voted for neither" retard has been bitching about ad nauseam: . that stale political bread is buttered on both sides of the aisle. Dems would've been well-served to hear N.H. democratic party chairperson Ray Buckley's recent comments during the C-SPAN aired gathering of the DNC's chair candidates this past weekend. Both he and former Obama Labor Sec. Thomas Perez kept mentioning the same thing about non-inclusiveness, the superdelegate system b.s. as well as the limited/scripted debate schedule that was clearly rigged o/b/o of Hillary Clinton, etc.

For every knee jerk wingnut there's a lockstep moonbat.

on-topic: the Donald better do something about cryin' and lyin' Flynn as well as that loose cannon Stephen Miller. A little "you're fired!" apprentice love might be in order for those two.
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. . .Don't smoke.

 

The typical route may be, upon defeat in the 9th circuit, to go to the Supreme Court, but with only 8 judges a 4-4 ruling simply throws it back to the 9th circuit where their clearly historical political bias has always ruled their decisions, and so that tactic would serve no purpose. So, this tactic may be unprecedented out of the current situation with the Supreme Court, not simply Trump being flaky.

But you may be missing an important part of this issue by trying to be funny about writing with crayons. Trump's first EO gets held up in court, but while that happens he gets specific feedback from the courts in regards to what issues in his EO are problematic, so he writes a new EO that eliminates those concerns but still addresses his major issue -- reducing entry to the US from those countries.

So while the professional protesters whine about a handful of legal citizens getting inconvenienced for a few hours, and the courts ruling on that issue mostly, Trump crafts a new EO that drops that issue but strengthens his opposition to refugees and hopeful immigrants, which is totally legal and has previous ruling by the Supreme Court that would provide precedent.

In the end Trump tested the water with a bloated and unrealistic EO, then crafted a new one that gets him exactly what he would have settled for to begin with. This is in line with how he has said he negotiated business deals. He distracted people with bloated bullshit only to finalize the deal with what he was aiming for to begin with.

 

thats one way to look at it. a bit of a spin job but sure

that would require Trump to face the fact that he was wrong though with the first EO and that would be a first for the man in his entire life. political or otherwise

 

It was Abe Lincoln's birthday yesterday. Fukk this thread.

 

Why Does anybody think the Supreme Court is going to split 4-4 on the ruling on the EO?

Looks more to me like a 5-3 ruling against with Kennedy joining the 4 Liberal justices to uphold the lower court ruling. Really it's not beyond the pale that it would be 8-0 to uphold, since none of Roberts, Thomas or Alito is going to feel bound to support a poorly written EO. They all favor a stronger Executive but not in confrontations with the courts so much as in terms of the Executive vs the Legislative, with Alito's support along the lines of signing statements on bills as they are signed to indicate Executive intent on the signature.

 

This is the presidency, not a business. You don't fuck around with national security and people's rights to get a deal.

 

I did not say it happens all the time but it does happen. Laws get passed, someone challenges it, it gets found unconstitutional so lawmakers rewrite it, many times it may be a shell of the former law but they do get rewritten. Voter ID laws is one recent example in a few different states, 3 Strikes laws is another that was recently struck down and many states rewrote them. Some times the lawmakers just call it a day and forget rewriting them but who knows exactly what the percentage is.

The poster I was responding to acted as if rewriting the E.O. was grounds for removal from office, I questioned his logic and gave what I thought was a very fair comparison. There may not have been any previous instances of an E.O. getting rewritten because I'm sure most Presidents have the intelligence to run it by their lawyers first, even if it is the 1st it is in no way grounds for removal from office.

 

If you're going to talk about facts, don't post a video of a comedian.

 

I think Trump picked a few people that are really going to go off the rails before he does get to bring the hammer down, personally I look forward to it. I still want to see both parties come crashing down.

The ruling that just came down again the Commission on Presidential Debates hopefully is helpful in getting a stronger 3rd and maybe even 4th party into the mix.

 

Waiting for the likes of oliver who are non us citizens getting booted out by a pissed off president

 

I love this "I don't like the way your sources present the news so that makes it not legit." attitude.

 

I didn't say anything about whether JO is legit or not. If you're trying to be convincing presentation matters.

 

Lets see what I think of that, a second rate travel app compared the searches on their app and say it is down 17.7%, they also say that for a comparable time period last year if was only down 1.8%.

Except for the fact that between January and February of every year there is always a big drop off in international passengers coming to the U.S., almost a 13% drop off between January and February of last year, over 2 million passengers, a time when Hopper says they only saw a drop of 1.8% in searches. Something tells me Hopper may not be the best indicator.

Edit: Here are some real stats, https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements.aspx?Data=1