That's what I meant pretty much by as long as it wasn't done by Obama they were supportive. It has an 18 percent approval rating, the Republicans are really into digging their own grave.
I'm really surprised the GOP is doing anything with health care at all. It's like a third rail of American politics right now, death to anybody who touches it. Next up? Social Security Reform so they can be the second party in the decade to throw away a huge majority and become a weak minority for half a generation.
Not happening. You seem to give too much credit to the general American populace. They ain't that smart.
Didn't Trump voters want their SS cut, their medicaid cut along with the right to get paid overtime? This is what they voted for and this is what they deserve.
"2 Trump weekend trips to Mar-a-Lago cost $1,281,420 in Air Force One costs alone. This does not include security costs and other VIPs, etc." Ron
That's simple, regardless of if the "victors" wear red hats or blue - they just want to prove they can pass something. A political "win," regardless of how short-lived, trumps serving the people any day of the week.
trump dry humps fellow republicans in the rose garden when trumpcare passes the house likely taking away healthcare for millions and then praises Australia's universal healthcare system as "better than ours" in the very same day???????
You act as if that contrary ideology is exclusive to Trump supporters and not the war being waged by each ideological supporter. Liberals aren't victims to this (which probably pisses them off because the mainstream liberal ideology is dependent on victimizing yourself) but active participants. Liberals simply engage in semantics and rebrand their contrariness as progressive behavior.
Catholics aren't into victimization they are into punishment. Ooh, tell me how bad a boy I am. Yes, like that. I'm a naughty, dirty sinner.
I didn't say libs aren't also ideologues. You can point to many examples and I'll agree with you. However Trumpcare is one of the worst examples of partisanship I've ever seen. This bill is horrific and the cons who voted for it know it too. But since it lets them play out their fantasy of repealing Obamacare they go along with it. On a separate note, I've never thought of myself as a victim. In real life I'm a successful enough person who gets along with people from many walks of life. I'm a liberal because I want others working hard to better themselves and others have the same opportunities I got.
Unfortunately for liberals, just as rational conservatives, how the ideology gets represented is how the ideology will be viewed. And mainstream, pop-culture liberalism is extreme and victim oriented. That's whose voice is covered and broadcast as the ideology. Obviously they don't represent all liberals but they are presented as the mainstream liberal ideology.
I know the type and I don't like them either. But for all their bitching they're powerless. Meanwhile the stereotypical far right has control of the government and is doing real damage.
Didnt actually mean it http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...e/news-story/e6c012b40fdfcdd589b9c9fee46e9331
But they aren't powerless. Their incessent rhetoric that western culture, specifically white males, are inherently racist, and the medias complicity in spreading and validating that rhetoric, made an extremist like Trump whose message was clearly one extreme to counter their extreme, a viable candidate to white males. There was a significant population that felt constantly attacked by pop culture campus liberalism and their response was not to be reasonable but equally extreme. And that is how someone like Trump becomes appealing. Like I've said, he didn't become appealing in a vaccuum and is a product of the environment his ran in. It was basic marketing -- is their a consumer being ignored? If yes, how do I target them? They aren't powerless. They created the environment that got Trump elected.
Their rhetoric is only rhetoric. All they hurt are Trump supporters' feelings. Which is ironic for the group that came up with the term liberal snowflake but I digress. I'm a sensitive guy, and I care how people feel. If I were running for office as Democrat, I'd even apologize. But right now we have a much more serious problem than hurt feelings: we have a president and party that are trying to destroy our healthcare system for political payback. Makes pop culture campus liberalism pale in comparison. Fwiw I cringed when Hillary held Katy Perry rallies and brought up implicit bias during the debate. But I voted for her anyway because I knew this would happen if Trump got elected, and I'm more concerned with people getting hurt than feelings.
That's probably more dependent on where one receives the presentation from rather than who is creating that "mainstream liberal ideology," whatever that is.
What you have with this healthcare bill is the same thing Obama did with passing Obamacare -- a candidate whose primary goal is to say he followed through with his campaign promise regardless of whether it is good or bad. Obama didn't have to pass the mangled Obamacare that Republicans demanded that has driven up costs and reduced care and access for those people who had insurance after Obama asserted costs wouldn't increase and people would be able to keep their insurance and doctors, but Obama's goal was to be able to celebrate passing universal healthcare to those who voted for him even if it wasn't what he said it would be, rather than fight longer to get the system he promised passed. Sound familiar? It should because it is exactly what Trump is doing. Trump simply wants to get his program passed so he can tell his voters he made good on his promise. Just like Obama. Both have fucked over a lot of people. I find it disingenuous to criticize Trumpcare if you support Obamacare which screwed millions of people out of their insurance if that is truly something you are concerned about.
Mulvaney blatantly admits the coal miners were used: http://www.nbc.com/late-night-with-...es-again-on-health-care-a-closer-look/3513120 Ron
It's not the same thing. Obamacare hurt people, but it also helped people and IMO it helped more people than it hurt (you might disagree and that's fine). Trumpcare isn't helping anyone except Republican politicians who want feel-good points. Also I'm getting tired of the "But Obama did..." argument. From immigration to Syria and now to healthcare, Obama had his flaws, but they weren't in the same ballpark as Trump's.
