The Draft....and next year...

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by mezzavo, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. Tonetime320

    Tonetime320 Member

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    Braylon was released..might not be a bad idea to get him healthy and bring him back
     
  2. joeklecko

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    I basically agree with all you say but disagree slightly on a couple of points. One, some WRs come into the league as rookies and do well immediately, while others take 1-3 years. There are a number of high quality WR prospects in this draft. While I prefer an OLB with the first pick, if a topnotch WR prospect is there and a top OLB prospect isn't, I wouldn't want to reach for that OLB. Either trade down and take an OLB or take the WR.

    Good starting quality RBs can be found in any round. It seems Greene isn't cutting it as the starter. Hopefullly the Jets can find a starting quality RB in the draft. This is the easiest position for a rookie to come in, start and play well. In FA all I think they'd find is just another rotation guy, and they already have that in Greene, McKnight and possibly Bilal Powell.

    I TOTALLY agree with you regarding firing Schottenheimer. I also think that Tanny needs to go or be demoted back to only negotiating contracts (at the direction of the new GM) and handling the salary cap.

    I also slightly disagree about Brodney Pool being quality depth. I think he sucks. He played his way off the team this year and should be released. I think the Jets need to draft a S and then sign and/or trade for TWO other safeties, at least one of whom MUST be good in pass coverage.
     
  3. joeklecko

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    The first round is WAY too high to take an OG. It's also dumb to have that many #1 picks on the OL. #1 picks need to be used on difference makers, speedy, athletic, playmakers either on offense or defense. The team has little speed. Taking an OG in the 1st round would just be dumb, imo. The 4th or 5th round should be high enough for an OG, unless a topnotch prospect falls to the 2nd or 3rd round.
     
  4. patfanken

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    one of the best drafts the Jets have had was the one where they picked up Brick and Mangold, was that too high for you.

    What about this past year haven't you learned. You lost just a back up and your C for 2 games and your offensive fell apart for half dozen games. Even now without losing another single game from a starter your OL can't protect as well as Patriot back ups.

    If you aren't willing to invest in your OL then you should expect and accept what our are getting
     
  5. joeklecko

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    It's precisely because the Jets already have two #1 picks on the OL that I think it would be dumb to have yet another one. Moore has consistently been their best OL and he was a UDFA. Mangold is great, DaBrick not as much. Good OL can be found in every round and as UDFAs. I have no qualms with using a mid-round pick or even a second, but using another #1 isn't necessary. There were definitely problems this year on the OL, but it wasn't because the Jets didn't have yet another 1st round pick on the OL. Going into the season with Wayne Hunter (a career backup) as the starting RT was stupid and having Ducasse as his backup was moronic, especially with Moore coming off of hip surgery and Turner having gone down for the season after the first preseason game. There were decent veteran FAs available and the Jets eschewed them for raw rookies. That's what killed the Jets offense this year.
     
  6. TheGreenCantona

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    The season is not over yet - we will make the playoff
     
  7. joeklecko

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    It would take a miracle of epic, perhaps Biblical proportions for the Jets to make the playoffs. I'll believe it when I see it. As far as I'm concerned, they don't deserve to make it. I also hope they won't, because if they do, I think they won't make the massive changes needed. Rex is too likely to say that they still made the playoffs. If they don't then there's no avoiding the fact that they need a roster overhaul and a shakeup on the CS, particularly the OC position.
     
  8. mr nyjet

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    :) i certainly agree with you. i just wish you were doing the shopping.

    i'd like to see a personnel consultant brought in, whether it's the tuna, wolff, or casserly. tanny should stick to contracts/cap only.
     
  9. patfanken

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    I see your point. The 2001 superbowl team started a rookie 2nd round pick at LT and a 2nd year low round pick who had never started a game before, and was out of the league in 3 years. Their Gs were all other teams' cast offs. Only the C was a high draft pick (D Woody) so I guess it can be done.

    I think my reasons for doing it this way is the necessity for the Jets to do a quick fix to their OL and to lower the risk level as much as possible. Picking up a quality FA RT should be doable, and adding a high draft pick you can be almost sure will be able to come in and start at RG should also be doable.

    Let me try and explain it this way. Every Pat fan last April was screaming for either some kind of pass rusher or DE, or Dez Bryant. Instead they got Nate Solder. No one was happy. However the end result is that the Pats wound up with a player who has had more of an impact this year, and will have more of an impact in the future than any flashy WR or pass rusher. The kid has been a life saver

    What I'm saying is that the reality is, that if the Jets forego taking that sexy WR or mid-level pass rusher that will be available in the 20's, and take one of the top Gs in the draft, it might not be popular, but it would be much more impactful. Sure you make find that same guy in the 5th round. The Pats found a very good C for a decade in that round, but at that point the risk goes up conciderably. For every Dan Koppen or Brandon Moore you find, at that spot, you will find 3 Vlad Ducasse's
     
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  10. JetsFan

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    My list is slightly different:
    RT - True RT not OL guy to plug and play. There are a few RTs who are coming out of college who played multiple years at their position and against competition. Best part is we can wait until the 2nd round (maybe 3rd) to get one, no need to waste a 1st rounder on a true RT. I do not want a LT we convert, the positions are completely different and take time to get used to. I want a starter from day one.

    S - If we get one we need to go early, NLT the 2nd round to get a top safety, one of the two from Alabama. That is the closest defense to ours you will find in college. They are both top 1-3 safeties in the draft and could start day one.

    LB - With Mabin breaking out, Jamaal Westerman and Garrett McIntyre playing average, we will not need to spend a 1st rounder on a LB. The only problem is if we want a splash player there are two guys we could get, but we would have to spend a 1st rounder to do it. This is where the other needs help, by being able to wait rather than use a 1st rounder on a RT or Safety.

    Both these guys are 3-4 DE/OLD players and would excite fans.
    Brandon Jenkins, DE/OLB, Florida State
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 265.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.67.
    Projected Round : 1.

    Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.57.
    Projected Round : 1-2.

    WR - Is a need, but only for speed. We have the route runners, hands and tall receivers, we need to guy to go deep and there is a guy who could last until the late 3rd or 4th round who would fit that bill. Jarius Wright is a speed guy with hands, who was recruited by colleges as a track star, but selected football instead.

    Jarius Wright, WR, Arkansas
    Height: 5-10. Weight: 180.
    Projected 40 Time: 4.35.
    Projected Round : 3-4

    TE - RB is not an area of concern, if we want a backup RB, get one in FA who we have tape on or keep what we have. We need a TE like Keller to place opposite him. Just like teams have killed us with two TE formations, we could be more successful not only passing, but running and take the pressure off Sanchez.
     

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