No, I don't get you point. The shit you listed have nothing to do with the topic of the thread topic: what to do with the massively overpaid receiver who cares more about his own mediocre stats than the success of his team.
This is calls for a sad face :sad: Surely Barcs can justify that one. He'll be here soon to dispel that. OH HE WAS INJURED!111!one!11
What a bunch of namby pambies here. "I don't like his attitude! It's the worst thing going on with the Jets right now!" My lord, what a lack of perspective.
If we are going to be sanctimonious here, I might as well interject that I find it morally abhorent for fans to make fun of players who were injured playing the game.
Why was he making more than Calvin Johnson in the first place? Holmes got hurt, it sucked I agree and it really hurt our season. That asshole still threw the football to the other team. I've never seen that happen in my entire life. This whole discussion ties back to money, everything ties back to money. Again, no one can justify paying the man this much money. 8 freaking pages and not one answer. I used to like Holmes, just like you - then I saw how he acted in 2011 and it completely turned me off.
^Baaaahahahaha. Larry Fitzgerald. They guy who's SO MUCH BETTER than Holmes, but only got 800 yards with 9.5 targets per game!! OMG He's so OVERPAID, He only got 800 yards!! How can you justify that contract with that weak production!!?? He's paid like a #1 but produces like a #2!!! :rofl: Do you think Fitz is overpaid? Or does attitude matter much moreso than production? Where was Holmes' alleged terrible attitude this year? He turned it around since that whole debacle at the end of 2011, even dedicated time in training camp to work with the young guys. I guess selective memory is selective memory. HE'S A CANCER!!!! :lol: Calvin Johnson? The guy who averaged 12.8 targets per game, the highest in the league by far? People KEEP ignoring the production argument just because they hate Holmes. It's utterly hilarious. Hate is a powerful emotion. Stop letting it taint your logic.
Did you even read my argument??? I am arguing that the level of QB has a big impact on WR production. People keep arguing that Holmes hasn't produced because he had 700 yards for 2011, therefor not worth the contract. By that logic Fitz isn't producing either, and isn't worth the contract either. You can't argue something one way and then completely ignore it for a different person. It's just hatred for Holmes and nothing more. I've proved it conclusively. Don't fall into that trap like 101 did. He got completely decimated with that production argument and you are doing the same exact thing, and ignoring my points just to deflect the topic with a post that has ZERO to do with any of my points at all. You guys are riding on fumes and nothing more. If you don't like the guy's personality, then just admit it. Stop trying to claim the guy doesn't do good things on the field for us. HE CLEARLY DOES.
I don't see what's so hard about admitting Holmes is NOT a top 10 receiver and is overpaid. He's a good receiver who has a clutch gene in him. He's a good guy to have on your team. We pay too much for his skill level and he's a turd.
To get there you have to trim some fat in the budget. Holmes, contract is the fat. Instead, we lose once in a lifetime talent, true titan in #24 for dime a dozen diva #10. I guess thank the sun and stars Tannenbaum has been ousted.
Holmes played more than half his career with Roethlisberger at QB and Hines Ward lined up across from him. He has never had a season with 80+ catches and has only had one year with over 1000 yards receiving. Fitzgerald has had both more often than not - including 2010 and 2011 when his QB's were named Kolb, Skelton, and Anderson. Then there is the obvious method of just using your eyes to evaluate and realize that Fitzgerald is on another level than Holmes. Let's not be silly. Of course the QB matters. That doesn't mean Holmes is a top 10 receiver.
My name is 101 gang green. I like to make things up to warp reality into my own twisted view. I haven't had a drink in over a month, bro. Maybe that's the issue. I need to start drinking again so I can ignore the blatant nonsense and slander that comes from some of you guys.
Turf monster...completely untouched by any opposing player, previously Super Bowl MVP/previous fired team captain, while mounting a a potential comeback, launches the football up for grabs. #leader #heart #teamplayer #hook this g up with a fat, front loaded contract #word up!
But that comes back to Tanny for overpaying him. Was Holmes ever a dominant receiver in the league? No he wasn't but we paid him like one. It sucks, we overpaid him to keep him. But at the same time he's still out best WR by far (if he comes back from the injury) and trading him won't net us enough assets if any to compensate for removing the one talent in our WR core.
That ignores the point that what Fitz did in his past is leaps and bounds ahead of Holmes. Holmes had one year with more than 71 catches, Fitz has had 7. I used 71 because that was the amount Fitz had this year. Fitz has broken 1000 yards 6 times, Holmes once. Fitz has had 2 100+ reception season, Holmes none. Fits has 5 fumbles in 140 games, Tone 16 in 92. Fitz has had 4 seasons recording 10 or more TDs, Holmes none. Holmes is not even close to Fitz in production through their career. We overpaid on Holmes. We valued him as a top 5 receiver in this league even though he hasn't played like one ever. HOWEVER, he is still the best receiver on our team and the only receiver that can handle tight/press coverage. He's worth it to stay, partly because we won't get resources for trading him, partly because our WR depth is terrible, and partly because he is a talented individual.
:lol: How many times has Fitzgerald done it averaging less than 7 targets per game? YES IT MATTERS. YES YOU KEEP IGNORING IT. 2010 - 10.8 targets per game 2011 - 9.5 targets per game 2009: Holmes best season: 8.3 targets per game - Roethlisberger was ranked 5th in the league in QB rating. 2008: Big ben ranked 24th. Not elite. 7.6 targets a game for Holmes. 2011: Holmes 6.3 targets per game. Severely under utilized with Schotty. It changed with Sparano (the one thing he did right), and we saw production from him. All years with Sanchez, Mark has been ranked near the bottom of the league. Nobody gets over 1000 yards averaging 6 targets per game without an elite QB, and even with one, it's extremely rare. That's been my point the entire time and it's been conveniently ignored over and over again. I never said Holmes was as good as Fitz. Please stop putting words in my mouth and changing the meaning of my argument. I've broken down very clearly how Holmes was under utilized with just over 6 targets per game. This was not on him and it was clearly why he was frustrated at the end of 2011. Stop with the red herrings. Not one single person has addressed targets per game. They just keep pretending it doesn't exist and only refer to yards per season. Then when Fitzgerald is brought up all of sudden yards per season doesn't matter. It's hilarious.
