The Doctrine for Trading Holmes

He really played like shit down the stretch last year. He didn't do himself any favors by acting like a bitch while playing like a bitch.

Your point about Holmes and other variables is a 2 sided coin that applies equally to Sanchez.

 

According to Big Blocker, Sanchez is the only one that can do wrong on this squad.

 

the whole team played like shit down the stretch in 11. Why only complain as the Holmes Haters do about him?

Burress was terrible and played himself off the team. Sanchez crapped the bed. Wayne Hunter was the worst starter by far on the whole team. Keller was not a factor. Mason had been cut long before, and while Kerley was showing improvement, that was it for positives.

But the Holmes Haters, many if not most of whom were Sanchez Fans, took aim mostly at him.

It was not fair, and I think Holmes was productive in 12 prior to his injury.

 

Because not only did Holmes play poorly, he acted poorly. Getting a 15 yard penalty for taunting down 21 points to the Eagles? Sulking on the bench for what reason I don't remember. At the end of the day, we saw when we win, he's a great teammate. When he lose, he gets frustrated. He's still a worthwhile receiver in the league and while not at Fitz/Calvin/Andre level, he can be productive.

I personally want him to stay. He's a playmaker and has speed, something you can say about nobody else on our offense except maybe Joe McKnight. I love Kerley and his improvements, but his top end speed, not the greatest.

 

I agree that his contract does not match his production on the field, but how can he put up great numbers with arguably the worst starting QB throwing him the ball?

Holmes won us more games than he "cost" us.

Where are you getting this idea that he "took plays offs". You say he was a liability with his blocking, keep in mind that he played in Pittsburgh which is always built on running the ball, then throwing second. In NY he was our number 1 receiver in 2010 and weren't we ranked in the top 5? I'm sure Holmes HAD to have played his part in someway for that to happen.

"throwing the ball to the other team" I wont excuse him for that, but at the same time the refs blew the call, he should have been ruled down since he gave himself up, but I don't want to get into that debate again.

I would say that he reconstruct his contract, but that's what got us into this cap hell in the first place. Let him play this year and make a decision next season if they feel he's worth keeping beyond 2013.

 

My take on Holmes is that he gets frustrated by having a shitty Qb throw to him. I would too in his shoes.

And he was hardly the only player who made a bad play down the stretch.

I never said he's an angel or never made mistakes. But I have said and continue to say he is the most talented skill position player and should be retained. And that the hatred too many here have for him is unreasonable and realy ludicrous.

 

There is a big difference between getting frustrated and acting like a total cunt when you are a WR2 that got overpaid.

(Sorry, for the jackass reply, but I really want Holmes off this team)

 

I don't think you need top-end speed to be a successful WR in the NFL. Disciplined Route Running, and a strong work ethic will put you above others. I don't want to use this example but Jerry Rice didn't have top-end speed, yet his disciplined route running and work ethic got him far. Jerricho Cotchery based his career on the same thing.

Larry Fitzgerald would like a word with you.

 

But the frustration is jarring. I know Fitz is an extreme case, but as a fan it comes off better that a guy gives his all 100% of time and helps the team.

I definitely agree though, by far our best skill player and we have to keep him. He can make plays and fantastic for us in the MIA game this year. He is our only receiver currently who can beat the press/physical coverage and he did it all day long in that ugly MIA game

At the end of the day, Holmes helps us win so you take the attitude that comes with the talent

 

Oh, so this is about what we want for subjective reasons?

I want the Jets to have built their stadium where Yonkers Raceway is, and NOT in partnership with the Giants.

I want a different and better owner.

I don't ever want to see Sanchez under center again, and to have him replaced by an above average Qb.

I want the Jets to keep Revis and Cro, and Landry too for that matter.

I want the Jets to change out Greene for someone like Foster. I'd even take Rice.

I want a lot more speed at linebacker.

I want a consistently productive TE.

I want both an upgrade on three OL positions, but also consistency.

I want Rex Ryan to be more effective with the O and to stop sounding like a deluded fool in his pressers.

I have about twenty other wants before I get to



I want to have our #1 wideout be a nice guy.



Actually it might be forty or fifty otehr wants, but who's counting?

I hope you get the point.

 

So you're pissed off that Holmes does not have Larry Fitzgerald's personality.

Okay.

 

Yep. We don't always agree, and ftr I am not lobbying for making Holmes a saint, but on the basic and important stuff, you tend to get it right, as in this case.

 

So when he is "winning" games he's apparently doing it by himself but his poor production is because of the QB? Isn't the worst starting QB in the NFL the one throwing him the ball when he's winning those games?

 

landry won't be coming back...

 

The issue with Holmes is that he is overpaid relative to his production AND has a terrible attitude. Fans can deal with one or the other (i.e., overpaid w/ good attitude or highly productive w/ terrible attitude), but have a very hard time accepting both.

 

Exactly. He's paid like a top 10 receiver. He produces like a top 40 receiver and he acts like a piece of shit. Tannenbaum special.

 

No. I want a WR that doesn't bitch when things don't go his way. Instead of bitching, do something positive to help the football team. Whatever happened to team first? Wasn't that what the Rex Ryan era is all about?

 

Pretty much! If Holmes was putting up Megatron type production, no one would care about his antics.

 

Can you believe he was actually paid more than megatron in 2012? lol!