And no one is saying they played great defensively. They gave up WAY too many 3rd and longs and committed WAY to many penalties. At the same time, they forced 3 turnovers and held the opponent to 2 scores. There's a world of difference between not being great and costing you the game.
c'mon man, the Ravens NEVER SAW THAT COMING. That shit was tricky as hell. And then they pulled LT and threw a pass to Greene. wo ho hoooooo - I'll bet they never saw that coming in a million years. Crafty that Shotty is.
LMAO- I was not going to login today but out of force of habit and trying to kill time at work here I am. Thanks to the many retarded thread titles I will now be leaving for a while why you all try and dodge the green sky that is apparently falling. 1. The Ravens are picked by many as the top team in the AFC, they look the part. 2. Even with Revis not 100%, Pace out, Jenkins out, and Pool out this defense shut down their running game and held them to what should've been 6 points. We held them to a total of 282 yards even with missing all of the above. Their average last year was 351 yards, included in that is 172 rushing yards per game. Last night they 49. 3. Bad calls killed us, that TD drive of the Ravens should be credited to the Refs, so I hope someone has them on their fantasy team. 4. We beat the Pats and Phins first place is ours and all is right again. The Pats defense is nothing close to the Ravens, especially the front 7. The Phins will not be able to move the ball on us and hopefully by then Schotty lets Mark throw the ball.
Wrong Junc. They didn't play well on defense, were undisciplined often but the fault is on the offense without question. What I saw in Sanchez last night I see in Trent Edwards. If you get pressure on him he panics and gets the ball out to quick. There was some questionable play calling but I have to wonder is it because they don't trust Sanchez in certain situations? A lot of the blame has to go to Rex. He talked the talk and painted a big bullseye on his team. It's very evident the lack of discipline he imposes on the players and that will cost the Jets in the end.
You know, I am not junc's biggest fan, but i have yet to see any one of you counter this brilliant point he makes here.
the offense never got a rhythm because the defense couldn't get off the field? 3 turn overs in the first half giving the offense great field position and each time the offense basically went 3 and out. A great punt return to give good field position, basically 3 and out. 6 first downs in what, 11 or 12 posessions? This is probably the first time I've ever heard of a defense being accused of leaving itself on the field too long. The Defense, despite the misques, bent but did not break and only gave up 10 points. Yes the rushing game averaged 5.5 yards per carry, but that is a misleading 5.5 average as 1/3 of the offenses total yardage were off of carries of 21 and 22 yards. the other 19 rushes averaged 3.7 yards per carry. and the passing game? 3.5 yards per attempt? Those are numbers that aren't going to get it done.
^^^LMAO The same discipline that gave us almost the least penalized defense last year? We don't need a Phins cross-eyed view on last night, celebrate your HUGE victory over the Bills, 15-10 wow you guys looked great. You could not be more wrong with your statement.
I don't think anyone is claiming the defense was dominant last night. That's the problem. Junc makes the claim with the thread title that the defense "cost us the game", but his argument does nothing but show the defense wasn't great. We all agree, the defense wasn't great.
I didn't take his point that the defense SOLELY cost the Jets the game. I think his point is that the defense did more than their share to contribute to this horrific loss. Surely you don't disagree with that.
If that were his point, he should have used a better thread title. I have to believe his point is that the defense cost us the game based on the title. If he wants to clarify otherwise we can discuss that. I thought the defense played good. Forcing 3 turn overs and only allowing 2 scores should be enough to win most games. Hell, if it weren't for the special teams penalty they would have only allowed 6 points. They were very sloppy with the penalties and 3rd and longs but they didn't "break" very often.
If you want to lay blame on the defense then lay it on Wilson against Boldin. That was an absurd matchup that was caused by Revis not being in game shape and the Jets not being willing to put Cromartie on a big physical receiver. How the Jets thought that a rookie starting his first game at cornerback could handle Anquan Boldin is beyond me. This was a close game because the Jet's run defense was very strong. If they hadn't kept Rice in check the Ravens win by double digits. They did most of that after Jenkins was hurt and so we see the basis for a continuing strong defense all season. If the Jets stop the run like that all season then they're likely headed to 10-6 and the playoffs again, even assuming that Brian Schottenheimer somehow keeps his job through the fiascos that his offensive plans cause.
So then we are in agreement, I was just saying the the people jumping on junc are a little off. I don't think the D played well enough to win based on their inability to make stops on 3rd down but I don't think this loss is all on the D. It was failure by both the D and the offense. There were bright spots by players on the D but outisde of LT there was nothing by the O.
While I kind of disagree with Juncs point, I do agree with his direction. Not trying to sound like a broken record but when you rely on the guys who should, for the most part, be defending receivers to put pressure on the qb....3rd and longs...shorts and everything in the middle will be exposed. Last night was a perfect example of why teams with a solid front 4 or 3 win championships. The Jets are a team with a compulsive gambler mentality. Amazingly, the offense is the exact opposite....a group of nuns gathered in a church on a rainy day. Talk about a psychotic team. While its early and yeah a lot of us are pissed off with such a shit performance...we are seeing the same crap we saw last year. Teams with very solid options after their number one receiver will give the Jets defense enough trouble not to be able to win the game. Now many on here will continue to shout that the defense played good enough to win..no argument here. Its just not an elite defense unless they start getting more dominate pressure from the front 3 and not these little fleas coming around the corner...most of the time...2 seconds too late. As far as the defense losing the game? I see JUNCS point. While I do not totally agree with it...his point is kind of valid in the regard that if both teams had identical time of possession, the offense would have got their rhythm and at least outscored the Ravens...which I do agree with. The problem with that theory is the Jet offense...was so disgraceful...such a friggin farce...such a paranoid gameplan....that they might have had 100 plays with the same outcome...but we will never know that because our defense was creating penalties on 3RD and 28.
I could not have summarize it better. Excellent perspective. Can you imagine what 9 points will bring us against NE ?....a fat ass loss
The only thing I can somewhat dispute about this is that the pressure up front isn't necessarily the fault of the guys on the line last night. Remember that Jenkins went down pretty early, and to that point, the Ravens had done less than nothing. Losing Jenkins last night was a huge blow. More than anyone has given credit to. If he's in the whole game last night, Flacco suffers far more pressure, gets sacked at least a couple more times, and probably never has the chance to abuse Cro and K-Dub the way he did. Rex Ryan's defense largely relies on disguised blitzes and great man-man corner coverage. However, the critical piece of the puzzle is the big guy right in the middle up front. Last night made the loss of Pitoitua a lot harder to stomach. I just hope Jenkins is okay and can play Sunday. We're going to need him against Brady & Co.
I see your point ATF. I just do not remember the Ravens blitzing several db's back in the day Rex was there. They are doing so because the front 3 plus 2 linebackers are not able to get it done. In fact, the Ravens did put pressure on Sanchez last night strictly with the front line and some linebacker help. As far as Jenkins goes...not sure what to say. While I totally agree with you...after last year...Jenkins was the cherry on top...not to be relied on to make it work. Hey...Pace comes back....I thought Thomas played one of his best games as a Jet last night...great game. Had to get used to him wearing 58. This will get fixed.
You can bitch at them for not stopping those drives, and for the penalties, and yes, they need to be better... but how many of their mistakes were translated into points? Not many. Besides, who's to say that the score is any different with a more respectable third-down conversion rate (they were 11/19 last night, if they were 9/19, it would have been league-average... how many of those conversions were on iffy penalties?). Do those two extra stops (which likely didn't turn into points anyway) cost them the game? Several times, the Jets had good/great field position, and they couldn't do a damn thing with it. If you're assigning blame so narrowly, you're insane. If you're even doling out the bulk of the blame to the defense, you're crazy. There is plenty of blame to go around if you're trying to find out why the Jets lost. Cromartie and Wilson deserve their share. But to say "the defense cost us the game" just seems like attention-whoring.
