I'm honestly shocked we still have to lay out the reasoning. Darnold is not tier 2. He's tier 2000. He is LITERALLY the worst QB in the NFL. Almost anyone would be an improvement. Even if we build around Darnold his ceiling is likely 15-20th best QB in the NFL. That's not good enough to win a title, and again that's if we manage to succeed in surrounding him with great talent on offense and a great defense. Also lol @ how you consider a Darnold extension "team friendly" when a rookie QB would be MUCH cheaper and almost certainly better. I'm sorry but you have no coherent argument.
Well I guess that will be up to Joe Douglas to decide. If Joe sees a FQB in Fields (or any of them really), then by all means take him while he can. But if he struggles to see any of them as more than just good (average), then use the draft cap elsewhere and try again next year.
It's not about Sam, it's about using the 2nd overall pick on a new QB that isn't a FQB. Why bother if we're just gonna have to look for that FQB down the road anyways? Just continue to stock the team with dogs, run with Sam, and try again next year.
How does that idiot keep his job? He is never right about anything. His logic on Fields vs Darnold is laughable and an epic fail.
If he isn't a FQB then no you wouldn't, but I believe with every fiber of my being that he IS and will be a FQB.
Darnold isn't going to move the needle...We need to do what Cardinals did to Rosen when they drafted Kyle and moved Rosen. We need to draft this top rated QB that is too good to pass and trade Darnold
My argument isn't that no QB improves into a good starter after starting their career poorly. My argument is that a massive majority of them don't. Someone did a statistical analysis of this recently. If I recall there's about a 90% chance that a QB who starts his career like Darnold won't become even an average starter at any point in his career. I'm not concerned with outliers like Brees. The team should take actions based on the most likely outcomes, not hope and prayer. Brees is also a notoriously hard worker. There aren't many guys like him.
This doesn't make any sense. None of us know whether or not Fields will work out. He's a pretty damn good prospect though. You act like it's a given he'll be awful. If that's your opinion that's fine but there's no way you can be absolutely sure like you seem to be. One thing we do know for sure is that Sam is currently the worst QB in the NFL. If we improve the team next year we will be in a significantly worse draft position than we are this year. How do we obtain a FQB then? Send someone a bunch of draft picks to move up? Hope one miraculously falls to our later pick? We've been a bad team for a long time and we haven't picked as high as #2 in 24 years. This isn't something that happens even remotely often. Smart teams don't operate in absolutes. Everything should be viewed at through the lens of probabilities.
Unfortunately every fiber of YOUR being don't matter. If DOUGLAS sees Fields like you do, then grab him! But if Douglas sees Fields like many others see him, then just stick with Sam and try again next year. Spend that #2 pick on that dominant edge rusher we've been missing for 20 years or the next Darrell Revis.
I would be glad to take the next Revis or Von Miller at number 2, but you seem to suggest that their equivalents are in this draft when all reports indicate that they're not. So would you take Sewell, trade down, or is there another suggestion?
Even Mel is saying Fields is a top 5 guy and QB2 in this draft. Really the only thing that's idiotic that he is saying is that Jets shouldn't take a QB at all, since they have Sam, whom he rated highly 3 years ago. Much like some posters on this board, who still believe in Rosen, because they liked him 3 years ago, he just doesn't want to admit his mistake. As far as him rating Lawrence higher than Fields, I can understand that point of view. TL still belongs in the same category as Manning and Elway, and Mel was put off by these two performances by Fields, which by the way were very recent, so still fresh in his mind. Think of it like that, Lawrence had a bad game like that with more INTs than TDs last time in the first game in 2019 (1 TD, 2 INTs). And that was THE ONLY time he had a game like that in 3 years. With Fields having 2 games like this in last 3 weeks, it is understandable why 10 out of 10 experts would likely go with Lawrence at #1, even with Fields putting up monstrous performance on Friday. So yeah, Trevor is still top guy, Fields is clear #2 QB and top 5 overall (even for Kiper), and Mel still doesn't want to admit he was wrong about Sam or he would have had Fields for the Jets.
Johnson is saying JD will decide, JD is saying he needs to bring the coach and get his input. The writing is on the wall.
