and he put them in a position to lose thanks to the boneheaded decision. We didn't have the lead w/ 50 secs left as we got the ball back w/ 50 secs left.
first of all jerk off, if your going to use your fat, oily fingers to insult me, at least do a better job of it. The onside kick call wasn't Mangini's, it was Westhoffs. When the ST had their meeting and went over film, he noticed that Indy lined up deeper than usual on their kick returns. So, Mangini approved it, but it wasn't his "guts" that had him do it, it was the best ST coach in the NFL. Next, how does kicking the FG when we are tied not put us up 3, but down by 4? Because Peyton drove the field and scored 3 points themselves? If I recall, the defense had not 1, but 2 chances to hold them off with the lead in the 4th qtr. That would tell me they would have been on the field longer, and maybe, just maybe, there wouldn't have been enough time left for the Indianapolis Mannings to get the final score. Anyway you or I slice it, it's all speculation and conjecture....in words you might understand, I mean that we can talk about it, but it doesn't change anything. If I need to break it down further for you, please feel free to ask, If your "balls are big enough" that is. Now, in no way shape or form, did I ever state that I hate Mangini, and I think he is a terrible coach. On the contrary, I love the guy. He has the team playing with more heart, desire, guts, and passion than I've seen since old Tuna Tits himself was here. There are calls every week that anyone can question.....God forbid someone actually excersize their right to having their own opinion...If you disagree, that's fine, and I don't care. But trying to demean me because you're too goddamned stupid to get your point across any other way is, well, pathetic.
My Vote for Dumbest Thread Headline of 2006 KOWIE - I guess you were a fan of Herm's you-play-to-come-close style? Even Peter King said he understood the idea and the theory and that "going for it" with a young team like the Jets makes sense... ...it makes sense if you are trying to build a WINNER! A team that plays to win the game - for real - no bullshitting like Ole Herm. This version of the Jets under Eric Mangini is the real deal. Players liked Herm, but didn't necessarily believe or believe in him. The players believe in Mangini, and he believes in them. He is building the kind of close knit organization that will - in time - become winners. I've never been happier with a coach or a Jets team than I am so far this season...never - even under Parcells - this is my favorite Jets Coach and team to date!
watching NFL replay right now of Jets-Colts. What's painfully obvious is: Dewayne fatso Robertson is a piece of sh-t. Rhodes and Addai just keep pounding it up the gut. Teams know they can run it down our throats because we have no talent on the D-Line, especially in the middle. Robertson can't beat a single-team, he looks totally off-balance and overmatched. he needs to quit the drive-thru at Wendy's and go lift some weights. he has no athleticism either.
figures - nyjunc would find fault with a coach who REALLY plays to win - after spending the last few years defending a coach who only talked the talk. All of the so-called experts said they understood the decisions Mangini made in the Colts game. They understand what he is trying to instill in this team and organization, and what he's trying to build with his players. For only the second time since I've been a Jet fan - a span of 35+ years - I see a coach who is willing to make the tough calls and take the heat, in order to build something that hopefully will be special - a team that tries to win every game, a team that tries to score on every possession. LV Coach said to me, he's never seen a Jets' team where the WR's and RB's work harder to get every last yard and even every last inch possible. We're building something - the right way. I've never been prouder to be a Jets fan!
I think alot of Jet Fans have fallen into the trap of "near-term thinking". They simply refuse to see a foundation being established here. They only want instant results and are ready to hang anyone that comes up short. Fire Sutton, Mangini is a moron for the call, etc... I guess almost 40 years will do that.. Mangini is building a team here and he's got his work cut out for him. The best thing Jet Fans can do right now is drop the unrealistic expectations and watch this team get rebuilt from the ground up literally. I'm on the 2008 bandwagon folks. Officially!!
No question we are rebuilding but at the same time we have a schedule and play in a league that isn't exactly filled with elite teams. We can win 9 or 10 games this year based on the schedule. I think they threw the kitchen sink at the Colts to try and steal a win. It's that mentality that kept us in that game and it was that mentality that ultimately failed. We simply don't have the horses to run with the Colts and the game plan and risk taking took that into account. I think when we play the better teams we are going to take some huge risks. I suspect against other opponents that we match up with we will be much more conservative? Time will tell on that. I just don't understand killing him for letting it all hang out against a team that playing it any other way we lose by 2 TD's.
I said none of the above. did I question the call? Yes, absolutely. As soon as they failed to convert I said to my friends, we're losing by three. I'm sorry if I want the Jets to take the lead of a game they could have possibly won. I never expected this team to play this well this early, or even this season. Who could have thought Chads mechanics were fixed to the point where he has more zip on the ball AFTER his SECOND rotator cuff surgery? In later posts I did back off of Mangini slightly, laying more blame on our defens and their inability to play proper coverage schemes on the colts during those 2 td drives at the end. I wouldn never in a million years call for anyones firing this early. I want Mangini here for the long term, and have him showered in Gatorade on the sideline of the Super Bowl as the Jets walk off winners. All I did was question what he did. I'm sorry so many people can just look past a game we should have won, but didn't. I'm sorry so many people are content with the fact that we are playing at a much higher level than we were thought to be able to, but not come up with a huge win that would really legitimize the team, and the staff. So be it....I guess it's getting to be like the White House around here, if you aren't going along with the status quo, you get harrassed for thinking something else.
Dude, I'm not condemning him for taking chances. Life is full of risks, challenges, gambles, whatever you want to call it. However you slice it, we do have the players and the staff to hang with anyone in the league. The Indy game is proof of that. Westhoff saw something we could take advantage of, and we pulled it off. My main gripe with the 4th and goal play is simply this, when you have a chance to take the lead of Indy you do. Better yet, when you're able to get points against the Colts, you take'em. Those three points were critical. It was a tie game. Sure, now I can say with certainty that the next drive for the Colts netted them 3 points, and those were the 3 they won by. It was the smart play. By no means am I implying that Mangini isn't smart, but I really think he got caught up in the moment and said go for it. That's not a bad quality to have in a HC, but you definitely need to pick those spots. I really do think the hiring of Manginie was a turning point for the franchise, just like getting Tuna Tits was. The only exception being that we could concievably have a HC for the next 10 or more years. He is the first HC since Parcells that I have faith in. That may not count for much around here, but it means something to me. I know the team taking the field may not always have the best player at certain positions, but they are sure as hellgoing to be prepared for anything that comes their way, and they will leave their hearts on the field. (Including the coaches) I'm more dissapointed in the fact that we really had a chance to legitimize this franchise, this year, against a team and a qb I hate. So maybe that plays more into my looking deeper than I normally would. I'll be the first to admit it. But it is definitely a game we should have walked off the field with a W. 4 and goal, or not, the defense was suspect late in the game, and the team paid the price. One thing I'm sure of, the days any of us fans feel like this, they will be few and far between if they stay the course and do what the HC asks.
They had the lead twice in the fourth Q AFTER the decision not to kicks the FG. Defense needs to make the stop. Once.
there's a lot to read in these posts. What I assume (or read) the original poster is saying this: HE LIKES GUTSY CALLS FROM THE COACH (4th Down Brad Smith, Onsides) LIKES THE DIRECTION THE TEAM IS GOING WITH NEW STAFF. UNDERSTANDS THE DEFENSE IS DREADFUL (RIGHT NOW). BUT... ...DIDN'T LIKE THE GUTYS CALL OF 4TH AND GOAL, WITH A TIED BALLGAME, (his reason) WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT 3 (whopping) POINTS UP ON THE BEST OFFENSIVE TEAM IN FOOTBALL (Colts) VS ONE OF THE WORST DEFENSES (Jets), WITH 20 MINUTES LEFT TO PLAY. That makes perfect sense. Make the gutsy call , but make sure you succeed. Does the FG give the Jets a definitive victory of 17-14? Wheren't the Jets leading the Colts by 4 with 2:20 left with no TO's?
Kowie, who pissed in yer Cheerios dude? You dodged a banning bullet with the jerk off comment. Then, you made it worse. Chill. No, I'm not a mod, just my opinion, before you go off on me too. Winston's choice of words weren't very tactful, but.... major over reaction here. You pretty much asked for some pot shots with your lack of tact.... from the thread starter and pretty much every post you followed that up with. You like to dish it out, but have pretty thin skin on the return. Off soap box. back on topic: Did anyone notice how Nugent's first PAT BARELY made it inside the right goal post? Nugent, even that close, as of now cannot be considered an automatic. Frankly, I think Mangini has little confidence in him, and for good reason. He's been VERY shaky so far this year. The combination of facing Manning and Nugent's funk, I think it was the right call. Saying that the on sides kick was all Westoff and no Mangini has to be ... I'll be nice.... naive at best. Does anyone really think Westoff made that call without Mangini's approval? I can see not liking the play call, but I also don't think the Colts were too worried about Dearth being out there either. It didn't work, but it wasn't predictable either. Plus, the Colts would have started at their own 2 yard line, but given Chad's no INT history in the end zone, that INT was hardly expected to happen. Those points were NOT taken off the board, not with the way Nugent has been kicking. The guy almost missed his first PAT. He's anything BUT automatic right now.
I went back and reviewed what I wrote TB and I attacked his manhood. I got no problem with his reaction. Dead and buried from my side, hope Kowie feels the same way?
Sometimes a bull in a china shop gets a cut here and there. That's my analogy. I thought your comment was a bit off base Winston, but the reaction was thermo nuclear. Just my opinion, behind my keyboard. But, I'm an asshole.... so there ya go!
I would hardly say calling someone a jerk off is a way to be banned. I've seen much worse get by here before. I can take it, no doubt. But when I get, I give as well. My first post was made out of anger. If you read later posts by me, you would have seen me admit it. As far as my "naive" thinking....you should read what I posted. I did, in fact, say Mangini had approval (as any good HC would) but it was something that Westhoff picked up on while he was going over the tape. He told the ST unit that they would definitely do an onsides kick like they did in the game. Nugent had 1 bad game. I wouldn't say he is in a funk. You can see (if you re-watch the kicks he missed) that his foot was hitting the turf in Tenn. I doubt that Mangini has lost faith in him. If that was the case, we would have another Kicker in here by now. If anything, Mangini doesn't play favorites.
