junc, I am very appreciative of what Torre has done with the Yankees during his great tenure. But i'm fed up. He hasn't appeared in a World Series since 2003, and was the Manager in BLOWING a 3-0 series lead in the ALCS in 04'. It's mediocrity junc, really...You seem to LOVE mediocrity, your defense of Herm is well documented. Sure you have a better argument for Torre, but do you not see what he does? Or lack-their-of I should say? His style is so boring and I was yelling for Sweet Lou the past 2 offseasons, but to no avail. Torre is just a mediocre manager now... And quite frankly, this Yankee fan is FED UP with the lack of emotion Torre shows and how often his teams have failed... It's simply time for a change. You thank Torre for everything he's done, Hall-of-Fame manager, great guy...But it's time.
Great post, Im done with Joe. Havent seen passion out of him and at this point I wonder if he cares. We should fire him, he is beyond mediocre.
I pretty much agree. No longer do I think we have an advantage over our rivals when it comes to game management. Francona is better than Torre. As is Scioscia, Leyland, and Gardenhire. All of those managers and teams are far more organized and make better game-related decisions than the do. This has been the case for a number of years now, which is why I wish Lou Piniella was here.
I'm surprised Pinella still gets so much love. The guy is a terrible manager, and always has been. He was moderately successful with one of the best lineups in baseball at the time (Seattle.) (Moderately because they could not do anything in the postseason but beat us.) He was a poor manager here, and that's why he didn't last very long. He didn't do so well down south either. And has anyone seen his major meltdowns over the past couple weeks in Chicago? I've never been in favor of Pinella. He's a Billy Martin clone, without the charisma. All he is angry. Sure, a coach needs to get fired up sometimes, but he goes ballistic. It's like putting me in charge of a MLB team. Girardi coming into the YES booth, and Mattingly being promoted to bench coach were both strategic moves, and I wholeheartedly agree with them. One or the other is the future coach of this team. My heart sides with Donnie Baseball, but my head says Girardi is the guy to lead this team. (How does the Manager of the Year get canned?)
thought it would have been fine to make a change afer the Det series even though it wasn't Joe's fault. You can only coach/Manage a team for so long but it would be major mistake firing him now. It's bviosynot hsfault nd his calm leadershi has helped us bounce back from early season struggles many times before. Thw best thing to do right now is to be patient.
There is some truth in that but at what point do you say is the time? How far back do we have to fall? Do we let him ride out the whole season or is there a point we reach when enough is enough?
Yup, Friday. But yesterday bought a temporary reprieve. Unless the Yankees do a 180 right now, he's gone by the end of the week.
We were 9 games out in May 2 years ago, we ar only 5 back in the L column today and w/ all our pitching injuries that's not so bad. If, when our staff is healthy, we still struggle then you an think about making a change but this start is know way the fault of Torre.
Definitely the watch is on. Yesterday bought him time for another week, perhaps 2 weeks... The irony I find is when Torre was commenting on ARod weeks back, a comment was along the lines of, "If you do bad, you're going to read about yourself in the papers." What about you Joseph? You've been on the backpages to maybe being fired...
How dare anyone talk about firing 'Saint Joe'. Don't you know he is volunteering his efforts as coach and donating all of his huge salary to help widows orphans and kittens that are stuck in trees!? So what if he is in last place with a 1/4 billion dollar payroll!? He is everyone's favorite Sainted Subway Sandwich Shill! Firing him is out of the question! He should have a job for life!
I would allow him the rest of thes eason but I think if we lose tonight and lose 2 of 3 or are swept by Boston then he will be gone. it's not his fault though, what can he do to get our hitters out of slumps? it happens, unfortunately we have a bunch of players slumping at the plate and ARod has reverted back to his usual form. There's nothing much he can do, he's tried to juggle the lineup, he's tried new combinations- nothing is working.
So basically what you're saying is, when everything was going great, Torre was the best. But now when things are going horrible, it isn't his fault. What i'm getting at it, he's simply an overrated manager.
The team doesn't seem to give a damn. They play with no enthusiasm at all. (except for a few). That falls on the manager imo. Also,it is going beyond "slump" now. Abreu is worthless. Usually 1 or 2 guys on a team go into a slump. When 2/3 of the order are having long term problems hitting,especially these caliber hitters,something is VERY wrong.
They really don't. Abreu, Cano, Giambi...And lemme get on Damon, is he not even half the player he was in Boston? When he was a Sox, wasn't he just about feared at the plate like a Ortiz or Manny when it came to us? Like you KNEW Damon would slap a ball and then be a threat on the basepaths? Again, he was ALMOST as scary at the plate as Ortiz to me... But as a Yankee? Where the hell has it gone? I know he's older and often hurt, but he isn't even an intimidating leadoff guy anymore, you think other teams fear him like they did in Boston? He'll get a few hits, but he isn't half the player he was in Boston. Jeter, Posada, ARod, Matsui for the most part are pretty much the only position players who actually give a shit whats going on.
Yup. Damon isn't even half the player he was last year for us. He was a great leadoff hitter for us and made some damn great plays in CF. Not this year. ARod may be slumping again,but atleast it shows that he cares. Jeter and Posada are the backbone as usual. Matsui is probably lucky that he doesn't speak much english this way he can just continue to be himself without the crap mentality getting involved. The next 4 games are HUGE for the Yankees.
ESPN-Steinbrenner said via a source that he will have no comment on Torre until after the Sox series. Well,for so little,that says a hell of a lot. Torres seat is gonna be on fire the next few nights.
Where did I say we won just b/c of him? he was a part of winning and when we were winning all the same decisions he made then were working but now they are not. he deserves some blame but he is not THE reason we are losing. it's really beyond his control at this point.
