I get that you liked Maholmes at the time, but that doesn't change an opinion into fact. My point was that it's way too premature to call anything a failure yet and I explained that in my post above this. I didn't think I was disrespectful about my opinion, so there is no excuse for you personally attacking me over it. Go for the ball, not the player. If you think my opinion is so bad then we can discuss the opinion itself. I was actually responding to a post by Contrails that said not drafting Maholmes was a failure. I didn't introduce anything, I just disagreed about that. No big deal. If we all agreed on everything this forum would be very boring.
You missed my point. Looking back and saying we should have done X and therefore we could have picked Y pro bowlers is just lazy.
All of this plus Mac didn't trade up three spots for Darnold. He traded up three spots for the #3 pick and had no idea who would be there. He was desperate for a QB to save his job . I am happy with Jamal, Leonard, and Darnold. But Macc is the not the guy he was sold to be. Our team is full of holes. There is no pipeline of developing talent. Many of his picks are completely out of the league already and most are not even playing I'll say it again, what elite HC wants him picking their groceries? As a GM he thought it better to pick his own guys rather than what the HC wanted -- pretty damning for the organization at a minimum -- either fire the HC, GM, both, or insist they get on the same page. WHy do we suffer through this for 4+ years
I didn't miss your point. I was demonstrating based on evidence why he's not the draft guy we were sold on KC had a very effective QB, and a FO with talent and yet traded up specifically for Mahomes. we talked ourselves out of him (and Watson) IN THE SAME YEAR, and out of trading back (if you think they weren't worth a #6 pick). It's evidence showing his questionable eval skills. We had all the power to pick these guys AND the need for a QB In contrast, Macc trades up three slots with no idea who he would get (and by his own account -- if reports are to be believed - completely surprised Darnold ended up there) and he's anointed a genius for that. this is his last gig
one person's hindsight is another person's evidence people accusing of hindsight think they have the gift of foresight and that Macc will somehow improve in his drafting (and FA signings) if only he had a different HC
Other way around. Belichick's record without Brady is squat. Check it out when he coached the Browns and the Patriots in the games when Brady did not play. In 2008 when Brady was hurt Belichick did not make the playoffs. He knows Brady is his meal ticket and will not retire until Brady does (and then he will too).
Again, I wasn't defending Mac. My point was, it's lazy to suggest had we done X and kept picks and drafted differently we could....hold on a minute....let me look back at every round of the draft and figure out who was, with 20-20 hindsight, the best player in every round at that pick number....have picked 7 future pro-bowlers.
I'm not defending Mac--he's been pretty bad, and I don't think I have the gift of foresight. We're all guessing here and it's only "evidence" because the pick worked out. Suggesting with the picks we kept we could have drafted 7 studs looking back at the draft now and picking out the best players or who, with hindsight would have been great for us, in every round, is lazy.
I apologize for getting so insulting last night. I was tired, in a bad mood, and have been a Jets fan and posting on Jets' sites for too long. I just don't have tolerance any more for someone who posts something that I think is absolutely ridiculous and beyond the pale. You made two such posts last night, and I lost it, when I should have just ignored them. I shouldn't have been uncivil and insulting to you. Carry on.
I normally do go for the opinion and not the poster. I just got frustrated and lost it last night. You were not disrespectful, and are still civil, and I both respect and appreciate that! Again, I apologize for getting disrespectful last night.
Are you serious? Read the bolded above and think about what you said. Do you honestly think that Mac intentionally didn't provide talented players to the team? If so, why should he keep his job, when that IS his job (to provide talented players to the team). Similarly, he did NOT take an approach to try to build the team solely or mostly through late draft picks, undrafted players and cheap FA pickups. No GM in his right mind would do that. Not only would one get lesser talented players, but it would take forever to build a team, and the team that one built would be lousy, as it would be practically devoid of talent. The knock on Mac isn't the lack of good late draft picks. He's actually been pretty good in the lower rounds. The knock on Mac is the lack of good picks in rounds 2-4 and his FA signings.
I was fine with Mac drafting Adams because I never thought that Mac would draft Mahomes or Watson. Mac was in love with Hack, and Petty hadn't been given a shot yet. It was clear to me that he wasn't going to draft another QB until he had determined one way or the other that neither Petty nor Hack were the answer at QB. Even if he had been thinking about the possibility of taken either of them, I'm sure that Bowles was screaming in his ear for Adams. You're wrong. I disagree agreeably and respectfully with posters all the time. It's not just a matter of their simply having a different opinion than I do. What sets me off is when their opinion makes no rational sense and is off the wall. I've endured stupid Jets owners, HCs, coordinators and GMs for 48 years. I've endured a lot of dumb comments on Jets fan sites for 20-25 years. I've just had it with people who don't "get it." It doesn't help when the news is filled every day with our elected officials and others doing stupid things. The stupidity of the human race is driving this planet to the brink of being uninhabitable. But if you think I'm such an asshole or jerk, do us both a favor and put me on ignore.
Not 100% here--that was a purposeful exaggeration--but it's what fans do. Can't judge drafts in the past with today's information. It's wrong. Besides, we're all guessing. Some trade ups work, some don't. Because a move worked out doesn't prove it was right and a no-brainer because it just as easily could have failed.
You see, I didn't say you were an asshole or a jerk, I just said that the way you sometimes address people who you differ with is disrespectful and it does nothing to advance discussions here. Your opinion that others make no rational sense is your opinion which you're entitled to as they are to theirs. No need to get set off. Just counter those with facts, not name-calling. If you've "had it" with people who don't get it the same way you get it, maybe it's you who needs some time away. Please don't get me or anyone else started on politics again or even larger sociological topics. This is supposed to be enjoyable.
There's a whole staff that does this stuff. I'm sure they spend plenty of time on other players besides QBs.
Thanks for the respectful reply. I explained why he fell to 10, and why the Bears passed on him, but these speak to what other teams and their needs were. I'm focusing on what the Jets need was and QB was a higher need IMO than Safety. Obviously Macc disagreed, which is why I'm saying he failed. Adams made the Pro Bowl, but how many games difference in winning did he make? Safety is not nearly the difference-making position that QB is. Not having a FQB, it was incumbent on Macc to get one, and he had an opportunity to get either Mahomes or Watson and he passed. Now you can argue that he might have thought that the 2018 QB class was better, but as I pointed out in y previous post, that was a major assumption and gamble. Taking the "Bird in the hand_ in 2017 was smarter than waiting on the "Two in the bush" in 2018, again IMO. This wasn't hindsight on my part, I and several others were screaming for Mahomes before the 2017 draft. Without having the chance to speak to Macc directly I can't know what he was thinking, I can only guess. But whatever he was thinking, it was flawed. The fact remains that had he taken Mahomes (or Watson), he would not have had to trade up and lose three valuable picks, PLUS the 1st rounder he had to use to get Darnold this year. He would have likely been farther along on acquiring starting level talent on the OL, pass rush, and skill positions. Sure, maybe all of thewe picks wouldn't have panned out, but likely one or two would, and that's one or two more starters than he has now. The bottom line though is that Macc didn't take this route and the team is worse for it, so that's a "fail" on his part.
Fair enough, we can call a truce here. I normally enjoy your posts and analysis on here and agree with what you have to say. It's all good!
