You're loss. The point is there was zero brain power in selecting Darnold. He gets credit for the move but his mid round picks where brain power is required shows he's clueless.
Again, you miss the point. There was no brain power to select Darnold or Williams. Look at rounds 3-5 where smart GM's make their legacy. His picks stink
While that's a valid point can it be laid at Mac's door? Tanny traded away picks like they were nothing and Idzik... need I say more. I'd frankly be more surprised if the Jets didn't have the lowest number number of drafted players still active today given the success of their drafts from 2008 on.
I'm beginning to come around to the idea of giving him some more time. His batting average overall stinks to high heaven but I'm seeing one grand slam and a couple more potential grand slams at key spots. Jamal Adams looks like he could be one of the Jets best defenders, defensive leaders ever. Robby Anderson is one of the fastest wide receivers the Jets have ever had. How good he could end up being depends on Darnold. My biggest fear with MacCagnan at this point is he'll extend Leonard Williams at ridiculous money and break the bank on Jadeveon Clowney (Texans ties) if he's allowed to stay. Clowney is a okay pass rusher but he came into the league with incredible hype I remember people were comparing him to Lawrence Taylor. He's badly underachieved those expectations yet on the open market he could end up getting paid more than Mack.
Total nonsense. Mac could have either taken one of them at #6 or traded down a couple of spots and taken one of them, and gained an additional pick or picks, rather than trading away three 2nd round picks. That is a fail in and of itself. The only way it wouldn't be a fail, is if both Mahomes and Watson wind up being busts (not gonna happen, it's already too late for that) and Darnold is the only one who becomes a quality QB in the NFL. The team should and would be infinitely better with Mahomes, picks #37 & #49, our 2018 1st round pick (and potentially more if we had traded down), and next year's 2nd round pick. With the 37th pick, the Jets could have taken any one of James Daniels (C), Courtland Sutton (WR), Kerryon Johnson (RB), Dante Pettis (WR), Mike Gesicki (TE), Josh Jackson (CB), or Uchenna Nwosu (OLB) and addressed a need and added a talented, productive young player. With the 49th pick, the Jets could have taken any one of Dallas Goedert (TE), Connor Williams (OG), Anthony Miller (WR), Kemoko Turay (OLB), or Donte Jackson (CB) and again have addressed a need and added a talented, productive young player. Daniels could have made our OL a lot better. Add Connor Williams as well, and the Jets' OL is almost halfway remade. Take either Sutton or Pettis and Miller, and our WR corps suddenly looks a lot better for Sam. Add Gesicki and/or Goedert and our TE corps is a lot better. Add Nwosu and Turay, and perhaps edge rusher isn't such a big need. Add Johnson, and we're not looking for a new starting RB. That's not even counting the additional pick or picks we would have added if we had traded down a couple of spots before taking Mahomes or Watson or our 1st round pick this year if we didn't have to trade up for Sam. With our #1 pick this year, we could have taken Quenton Nelson, whom many of the posters here coveted, and our LG spot would have been nailed down for the next 10-15 years; Vita Vea, and we wouldn't have been looking for a new NT and the center of our D would probably be a lot better; Roquan Smith and again our interior D would look a lot better; or Mike McGlinchey, and perhaps we wouldn't need an LT in the 2019 offseason, and would be free to take Bosa, Allen or Ferrell. I love Adams a LOT, but there's no way he can have the same impact as Mahomes alone, or that he and Sam can have the same impact as Mahomes and the three additional 2nd round picks, the 2018 1st round pick, and the freedom it would give us in the 2019 draft. For that matter, if we already had Mahomes, Mac most likely could have been able to trade down in the 2018 draft and garner several picks for the #6 pick. Even if Mahomes wouldn't have been that much better than Sam this season due to Bowles and Bates, he would have been better simply by virtue of having either a better OL in front of him, having a good, fast young RB, and/or some better WR and/or TE targets, and the team would be a WHOLE lot better off, with several of its needs filled with good young players. To claim that it wasn't a fail is not only ridiculous, but flat out blind and ignorant.
If Macc gets to hire his own HC how much you wanna bet it will be someone from the Texans org? Anyone know who the Texans OC is? He's our guy!
Total and absolute BS on the brain power. Please tell it to those that passed on Dan Marino and a few other HOF that the real brain power comes into play in the later rounds. The moves and brains and a shit load of luck is required on each round,at each position, especially in the first when the stakes are higher. We have already addressed his misses in the mid rounds. This is a massive 20-20 hindsight analysis you are trying to sell. I guess it took no brains for the Giants to pass on Sam as well as the Browns. It was all there for the taking. Please enlighten us with the available GM that has a great track record in the middle rounds, as if it is easy to do. We can then pull the plug and get him. No one is glorifying Mac, but your picking and choosing when brain power comes into play is laughable. How about contracts, or trades, or great track record on top picks, it's a total equation that must be solved.
A lot of this true.....Mac has made his share of mistakes and hindsight is 20/20. He has struck out swinging on alot of his lower picks and looking back that can be frustrating but his overall job as a GM isn't as bad as people make it out to be. A lot of people don't remember he was ordered to try to win now when he first came aboard so he is already two years behind..... I do wonder about the scouting dept though. If I were Mac and I see some of these draft picks busting at what point do you hold your scouting dept accountable ? Is he even in charge of that or is he handcuffed there too ? I know he signs off on the picks but he can't possibly travel to every single NCAA game and scout every single player can he ? Maybe some changes need to be made there....just a thought.
Just stop. Half this board was crying we didn't pick Kevin White 'coz he plays offense y'all'.. He picked the best player available even when it wasn't the popular choice. And with Darnold he pulled out a ballsy move in trading up pre-draft. These were not zero brain power moves, like you are trying to dismiss them as. If you are going to bash him for rounds 3-5, which is fair, you gotta also credit him for round 1. Round 1 I'd argue is the more critical selection.
That was a horrible pick and I knew it at the time.....bust. I know Tanny thought he had his replacement for Abe but....
Well if they were "reaches" someone should tell the Chiefs and Texans. If Macc couldn't see their talent, I stand by y statement that he's a poor evaluator of talent. The Jets needed a FQB way more than they needed a Safety. It was a bad decision by Macc.
So mudslinging is now a viable argument? It's a simple difference of opinion. And yeah, it is completely ridiculous to claim that you have seen enough of the rookie QBs to know exactly who is going to be successful when they haven't even played a full NFL season yet. That's the silliness nonsense I've heard in a while. Sure we all hope Darnold is the top of the class, and better than our division rival QB but 2-3 years down the road, who knows? It's WAY to early to judge that.
It's not just a difference of opinion. If Mac had taken Mahomes or Watson, and still had the 3 second round picks and not had to take Darnold, the Jets would have been better off and further along in their rebuild. That's pure fact, not opinion. I didn't check every single player taken in the 2nd round, but I checked every single player that I named that Mac could have taken, and every single one of them has had a good rookie season and been a solid contributor. That's fact. Not opinion. Even if Darnold should wind up better than Mahomes (which I don't think will happen), there's still the other 5 or more players the Jets could have had and that definitely tips the scales to FAIL. With regards to the rookie QBs, Rosen was the most pro ready and had a high floor, but a low ceiling. He's injury-prone as he's not mobile, and he's not really a leader. He showed that in college. I'll be surprised if he stays healthy and in the league for more than 5 years. I suppose Allen could surprise me and wind up being a lot better than I think he will, but I'll believe it when I see it, and the only way I could see him becoming better than Darnold would be if the Jets keep Bowles and Bates and Buffalo hires a great HC, OC and QB coach.
I’m not disagreeing. I just have a feeling Mac might be coming into his own. Logically you’re right. But still.
Since it looks like Mac will still be here, I sure hope that you're right. It certainly would be best for the Jets and all of us.
