Not with that kind of time on the clock on a cold day where they weren't getting the ball down field in the passing game. Jay Cutler, Manning yes agains Lossman and the Bills who were running the ball down our throats and hitting a lot of short balls down the middle no.
I agree with the move, I dont agree with the completely predictable calls that whole series. We get the pick and could put the game away but instead we run the ball 4 times and fall short. Maybe pass the ball or something, be a little creative.
at that point, if they get the 2 yards the game is over. if they don't you are taking the most dangerous part of the bills team out of the equation and forcing an offense that managed to have less than 150 yards passing while completing over 20 passes on the game to beat you. they were not moving the ball at all through the air, all the could do was dump it off. also everyone is assuming the kick is not blocked or missed. thats also a possibility and would have given them better field position. both sides have an argument but going for it was not a bad call at the time.
I still disagree, yeah you dont wanna kick to them, but I would much rather have a 7 point lead. You know what? If they run it back, we are tied with 1:30 to go. Plenty of time for Favre to engineer a drive down the field to get a field goal. Regardless I trust my special teams more to make a tackle. We still had to put the defense on the field, so thats not the argument. I trust the special teams to make the tackle to preserve the 7 point lead.
Too true Lots of games now in this bracket Miami, New England, St Louis (although 40-0 at h/t I can forgive that one) Denver, Buffalo. Arguably some others that could be added to that list as well
Should've been a punt. We're up by 4, ~1:18 (?) left at the ~30 yd line. Punt into the corner, if Hodges misses, we took em back 10 yards. If he doesn't, we've just pinned them behind the 10, maybe better. High punt, let our amazing ST down the ball inside the five. The field goal would give the ball to McKelvin, who is a good returner. With a 4 point lead and little time left, you don't want to give the opponent the chance to drag it out into overtime. Force them to go for it all or go home, because your odds are better that way. IF you want to go for it, then yes, PA. I'll draw it out for you: Hunter right as eligible, Keller left. Play action bootleg to the left. Cotchery is the WR, because he can beat jams and make yardage on a short route, so they will play tight and thus remove the CB from the play by running a sideline route. Keller (who is faking a seal block and needs to allow his DE inside) peels off left. IF he is covered underneath, then it's a race between Favre and the free safety to the LoS. Since the FS should be looking run (along with most of the defense) and Favre has more mobility than a slug (as opposed to our old QB whose most legitimate knock was his lack of mobility), it should be a first down. Chances are that Thomas Jones will be tackled fresh off the fake, knocked over or caught up in the crowd, so his route is of little importance. If he does actually get through the line, his job is to make the FS stay put in the middle of the field and not drift over to the weak side. The line is sliding protection to mock a zone blocking scheme, which we do employ on 5 and 7 hole runs (we use both man and zone blocking schemes thanks to Callahan, though zone blocking is normally used when we run off-tackle and man when we run between the guards). Richardson's route has three purposes: The first being that I can't recall the Jets running an I-form fake with the FB not running into the flats (Stacey Tutt's and Darian Barnes' epically consistent drops are seared into my mind), the second being to keep defenders drifting with the play's initial motion and the third being that if everyone is covered, it gives Favre an extra check before he throws the ball away to avoid the hit, takes the dangerous dive or slides and gives up on the play. Yes, there's the age-old reasoning that you never ask a QB to run one way and throw another, but if you've got a completely uncovered Tony Richardson (who doesn't drop the ball, though you wouldn't know it because he's mostly used as a blocking FB) who won't get far, but will get far enough for the first down, then you might as well make the check. At the very least you're taking a cover man away from pursuit, too. In this play, the defense will need: 1. To stack the line of scrimmage to stop the run. You're facing a power back, a very good blocking fullback and an OT as the strongside TE on 4th and 2 from one of the top rushing teams in the NFL. Your opposition plays largely conservative football with a control-the-ball offensive philosophy (which, btw, is a large part of why Schotty is so bad at running the offense, because he is a spread guy). Thus, you obviously stack the line. 2. To cover Keller with an excellent pass defending linebacker or safety in the event of the pass or run fake. Posluszny was covering most of the day and is an excellent linebacker, but you need one of your defensive leaders here to stop the run play, so you can't do that here. If Posluszny looks like he's covering Keller, the offense should probably audible out of this play. As I said, however, you need The Pos to stuff this run, so you also need to find another way to cover Keller in the event of this play happening. 3. To get penetration on the run-side rather than just holding the LoS. In the event of a run, you need to stuff Richardson at the LoS (or preferably behind) because Thomas Jones doesn't do so well without a full head of steam (See RB depth with Thomas Jones vs RB depth with Leon Washington, or depth between running and passing plays in Ace forms). Most of the time that the Jets run play action out of the I-form, Tony Richardson runs into the run-side flat, which means you absolutely need penetration on the run side more than for your usual short yardage run stop. 4. Have the DE blow up D'Brick and get depth in the backfield to cut off the bootleg. Since he is looking run (though not as significantly since D'Brick is a finesse blocker and Keller is a below average blocker), this will be difficult, as he needs to be prepared if the run comes his way. 5. Overall play recognition. If you accomplish all of the above, you still need the corner to follow Cotch out of the play or the free safety to get over in time if he sits on the bootleg/drag (which would require immediate recognition of the fake by the FS or a specific assignment like this). For the offense to execute this, they would need: 1. Thomas Jones and Tony Richardson to be convincing on the fake. It's that simple. 2. Favre to run the bootleg completely - This doesn't just mean rolling out of the pocket, as that is appropriately named the rollout. A bootleg necessitates coming back towards the line. The Jets haven't had Favre move around too much. He can run it, it just takes balls on the coaching staff's part and hustle by the QB. 3. The weak side blocking to execute flawlessly. Keller getting beaten inside on a seal is something you would expect, but if he can't seal the inside, how can you teach him to fake sealing the inside? Also, you need D'Brick to start movement with the direction of the play for a second before turning to stop the DE. It is all about acting here. D'Brick, to the lay/defensive observer, is picking up Keller's missed backside seal to prevent Jones from being tackled from behind. D'Brick is amazingly athletic for an offensive lineman, so this is less of an issue so long as Keller can properly delay the DE while feeding him inside and maintaining the balance to get into his route afterwards. If the DE comes charging in full speed, he _will_ blow up D'Brick if he even turns around in time. But like I said, punting is the better idea here.
Exactly--shotty has no balls and little NFL intelligence when measured against other OC's. Hope someone signs his ass.
yeah I thought going for it was ok but I would have play-action passed--the clock is a non-factor--either and incomplete pass or a run failure to get the yardage stops the clock (change of possession)--so I would have faked the run and found the TE. The Bills KNEW Jones was getting the rock.
I think that's one of those decisions that is justifiable either way. You can agree to disagree with the call, but it can be justified. It wasnt a brain fart decision. And i remembering mentioning last week how the STs were very inconsistent in several areas including punt/kick coverage. Buffalo burned us with a long PR and a couple of decent KRs today, plus factor in a possible blocked FG, and it wasnt an unwise decision.
If the Jets would have punted from the 25 yard line I would have thrown something at the TV. A run, a pass, a FG attempt, anything would have been better than a punt. Chances are the ount goes in the endzone and the Jets "gain" 5 yards. Yeah!
Then you're not thinking about the clock when you would have thrown something. Be angry that they're ball less, but don't be angry because you think its a bad call. When there's 1:18 (that's the number I remember on the clock) left, you want as long of a field as possible. You go into a zone shell and give a five yard cushion underneath. Lynch cannot make moves in the open field necessary to move the ball into field goal range in that amount of time, much less get the touchdown (since it was a 4 point lead). I mean shit, Chad was able to perfectly place a pooch punt at the 5, if Hodges can't do it (especially with our ST) then he shouldn't be a fuggin' punter. Even on the off chance of only getting those 5 yards, it is a big deal because there isn't an electric underneath threat that the Bills have like what the Jets have in Leon Washington. Blocked or missed. Jay Feely may be on fire but he is still Jay Feely. Miss the FG and they have an additional 7 yards. Also, with bad coverage on the day and a good returner like McKelvin, you don't want to give them an opportunity for a big play. The Bills had zero timeouts with 1:18 on the clock. Giving them a kickoff return is eliminating your greatest advantage at this point, which is the clock.
^Agreed--A punt would have been a better call than a run. A run was doomed to be stopped at the 25. A punt would have put the ball between the 1 and the 20 and worked a couple extra seconds off the clock although you're risking a bad snap or block. On the first attempt, maybe try to draw an offside and take the delay of game. A pass was the right play--Shotty is an imbecile in NFL terms and on the street, he would probably get his ass kicked for being a faggot.
Agreed on the offsides attempt. The Jets don't do that as much with Favre as they used to with Chad despite both being great at the hard count, except with Chad there's no zip on the throw so quick throws weren't really an option. They had timeouts if they didn't want to give up the delay of game. Wait for 2 seconds on the game clock and call the time out if no one jumps. Only issue here is that while I would originally have considered the PA (but still been more inclined towards the punt), I feel that after trying to pull them offsides, the PA wouldn't work as well because of the change in tempo.
I agree. I thought it was the right move. It's certainly debateable either way but I definately think you go for the win on 4th and 2.
When they first lined up, i thought they were gonna take a delay and see if they could draw them offsides. A pass play would have been nice, since the clock stops anyway on a change of possession. Buff fell hard for the naked bootleg early, so they were biting on run. Quack- yes, a miss woulda also cost 7 yards.
I had no problem with the call. The Bills had no timeouts and needed a TD either way. If we get the first the game is over. If we dont they still would have to 75 yards for a TD with no timeouts.
I had no probl;em goin but there should have been a play actionm pass there. if it's incomplete the clock stops anyway. I understand not wanting a kick blocked or missed in thya situation giving Buf great FP.
