I agree. White isn’t more or less consistent than Zach, which is why they consistency argument doesn’t make any sense.
I think end of season , they go after Carr. The team is win now ready. Carr, in that offense, with those weapons......
Carr that has just got his WR buddy to join his team, that Carr? The 31yo Derek Carr? Good lord, no thanks.
So, exactly what is it that has you claiming "Zach Wilson’s ceiling is astronomically higher than Mike White’s"?
You can watch the tape and see it. Zach Wilson’s arm talent is unbelievable. He can throw to opposite hash on deep 7s. He can throw opposite hash deep outs. He can throw it 50+ downfield off platform. He does throw accurately on the intermediate and deep routes, he struggles with the short passes because he has poor footwork, which is fixable. Zach has very good escapability and is mobile enough to make things happen on the ground, but I don’t think he’s trusting his knee to hold up after 2 knee injuries. To add, Zach’s eyes are right, you can see it on the film. He’s not trusting what he’s seeing right now. There is no possible way that you can watch Mike White and Zach Wilson and say “Their talent is equal”
Arm talent is not just strength. It's also touch, both in terms of accuracy and velocity. Right now ZW has a very strong arm that operates with very poor refinement in all the things he needs to do to get the ball to his receivers in position to let them take maximum advantage of the throw. His eyes rarely find the right target unless the play is designed to go to his first read. Plays that rely on misdirection to get somebody open right away in space are positive for ZW and the Jets. Everything else is a huge gamble.
In terms of arm strength and mobility, Zach is very talented, though he isn't elite in either. But there are other important talents too like the ability to keep your head under pressure, and Zach is lacking there. Like whatever it is Joe Burrow has, Zach has none of it. Even Mike White has more of that kind of talent.
Zach’s issue with pressure is that he is CREATING his own pressure. He’s lazy with his drop back, which causes him to be a half second late. Then, he doesn’t rip it to his first read, which he usually can. So now he’s a full second late and instead of climbing the ladder in the pocket, he rolls to his right, cutting the field in half. He’s his own worst enemy right now.
That "lazy dropback" drives me nuts. I saw it on the very 1st pass vs. the Pats and I knew he'd have a shitty game. I can't speak to the quality of the coaching this kid is getting... but the lack of basic QB fundamentals Zach displays is alarming. He's got a lot of catching up to do... these things don't get fixed overnight.
There isn’t enough time during week to week activities to drill and work on mechanics. It’s a bye week then off-season problem.
Is that how it works? Who goes into year three working on basic qb fundamentals? 'Cause Zach (and the Jets) will continue to fail if he doesn't get his mechanics right. He also needs to get his head straight... but one thing at a time...
You can see whatever you want to see. Arm talent is not just the ability to throw the long ball but to consistently throw the common ball. That means getting the ball to the receiver, not over his head or in the ground in front of him or behind him. I would grade "arm talent" as "unbelievable" only when it results in completions - your mileage may vary. I don't care in the slightest how well a guy can make specific throws in practice, what matters in the NFL is how consistently a guy can make throws when a defense is coming for him and the receivers. Sack numbers do not agree with your claim of his "escapability". And whatever you mean by his "eyes are right," it does not account for his continued lack of ability to read the field. Get back to us when all the things you claim can be fixed are, in fact, fixed and when he has confidence in his knee, his ability to read defenses, trusts his own judgement and when he can keep up with the talent and speed of the NFL game. Until then, the eye test, verified by statistics, shows that Wilson has not reached the level of mediocrity in the NFL and it's doubtful if he will.
The coaching staff is focusing on installing game plans on a weekly basis for all 53 players. They just don’t have the time and reps for mechanical work in season. Zach will have time during the bye and off-season to do it. Right now, it’s on Zach to figure it out.
I know the routine... I also know they review the last game with the purpose of fixing mistakes. There are simple things he can do to improve his game... now.
“He’s his own worst enemy” Those words are exactly why Zach is not the talent or has the ceiling that so many here WANT to believe. You can’t teach stupid.
I am not sure why you quoted me talking about INTs, I never referred to them. I didn’t like Sanchez, but wanted to believe even though my eyes said otherwise. I didn’t like Darnold, but wanted to believe even though my eyes said otherwise. Fool me once, fool me twice shame on me, fool me 3 times, I don’t think so. Zach just doesn’t have what he takes, it has nothing to do with arm strength or physical tools. Some guys have it and some just don’t.
