I think you're wasting more energy entering a thread telling people where to spend their energy.. AND, discussing the drafts is discussing THE NEW YORK JETS as well as Bradway.... I Never aid Worst Ever.... He missed opportunities though and Spending Two picks on Dewayne all to make a splash was just STUPID.. I actually LOVE it.... It makes the NFL a year round enjoyment and then, when time allows let syou peek into the college world and wonder who would fit in here...... I think Today with NFL Network full Draft coverage and the countless numbers of NFL experienced people all over the web with Draft insights, We as fans, have more of a clear picture of these guys than ever before... And actually, I think in general the draft is much less of the crapshoot it was 20 years ago.. 20 years ago, this information just wasn't there, not even to NFL people... Now Division III guys are getting profiled and discussed.... Every player is analyzed and overanalyzed so much where years ago the averg Jet fan probably relied on the local beat reporter and his top 20 list printed the day of the draft.... Understood... And our point is LOOK, we discussed the drafts to incredible lengths BEFORE they happened... And for the most part, I'd say the concencus fan opinions were better than Bradways... I can't compare it to the 80's drafts, like I said the information flow wasn't even there for the average fan.... Besides, draftnicks have no time to compare what was done to HORRIBLE drafts - Our goal is discuss ways it could have been better and discuss how a team drafts on a CHAMPIONSHIP level... and what opportunities we missed as fans and what the Jets hit on or missed.... Like other said, would you congratulate your kid on getting a 60 in Math cuz maybe his older brother got a 50 in math in 1984? We're not making comparisons to lous Jet teams... We're looking at what it takes to draft a WINNER. And if you read these posts you can see there were missed opportunities that many of uspointed out before the drafts. The "Draftnicks" who love to analyze and talk drafts did this BEFORE the drafts, and now we're just here discussing it AGAIN.. and people want to come here, add nothing to the topic but, highjack it into a discussion of wether or not we're Overly Football obsessed to be talking this stuff at all and maybe we should all just join the latest Martin thread or talk about how the refs cost us a game last week ad naseum.
That's fine, I don't have a problem with that. I think you're being a bit defensive here, I'm not hijacking your thread or telling you what to discuss. I added to an off-hand comment about a guy named "Bradway sucks" posting a thread about Bradway, that's all. You have to admit, that's kind of funny.
No, the Vilma pick is going to stay solid I think. Some people thought DJ Williams, his teammate at Miami who went a few picks later, was a better bet to be a good long-term NFL linebacker, however they were all factoring in the supposed knee problem that Vilma had, and that problem never emerged.
I'm having problems digging up old threads but, I remember a lot of people looking at CB's as well, Deangelo Hall and Dunta Robinson were gone at our pick..... Johnathon Vilma was a HIGHLY Celebrated pick when he was taken..... Very few if any people spoke up against that pick, unlike the Moss, Dewayne, and Thomas picks or the debacle that was Doug Jolley. It's actually SHOCKING Bradway picked Vilma... for once he did what everyone was screaming for him to do... You didn't hear the gallery of Jet fans crying over that one on ESPN did ya?
The Jet's weakness after 2003, the linebackers, was so apparent that it was impossible to ignore it in the name of taking potential over production. I think Vilma was a transcendent pick in the same way that D'Brick and Mangold were this season. The need was so strong that nobody else was going to be taken on those picks, even if the other choices appeared to be more overall value. The only other person that I recall Jet's fans really wanting was Dunta Robinson and he got taken well before the Jet's pick came up. The NFL analysts were a different story though. The majority of them, as I recall, saw Williams as a safer pick and Vilma as more of a potential star/blowout scenario. In that light it's not surprising that Bradway chose Vilma. He never could sort out future potential vs risk very well, in drafting or contracts.
What has happened with Antaj Hawthorne? I remember him staying on the board a long time, and we didn't snag him...and I was disappointed. Has he panned out?
Santana Moss never has and never will be one of the two top WR's in the NFL, even in his best season! He's hurt again this week, and is almost finished...
Three are listed at the HOF website at 5'11", as they are listed in other credible sources. McDonald was 5'9". Films and photos would indicate these players were not taller than their listed heights. If anything, they were shorter than their listed heights. Sheesh.
He was one of the AFC's best in 2003 and last year was one of the NFL's best. The man had 1483 yds last year w/ 9 TDs. Only ONE player had mor yds and that was Steve Smith who was he best WR in the NFL last year(and by the way he's 5'9").
Keep in mind in addition to the two first round picks for Robertson we also gave up our 4th round pick that year. I think as a rule of thumb as a gm I would rarely trade up in a draft since depth and risk are so key to the draft. With those three picks chances are you get 1 or 2 solid players, with 1 pick at #4, you give one player a ton of money and hope he's not a bust. When they cut or trade Robertson the cap hit will not be pretty. And while I do think he's a decent player he's certainly not worth that money.
The worst pick of all Boobway's #1s was DRob. I hope even nyjunc can appreciate that Robertson was a TERRIBLE move by Boobway. Two first round picks and a 4th rounder for Robertson--He has milked the jets out of a fortune in salary and every week he fails to control the line of scrimmage. The guys we could have had with those three picks. And for 3 and a half years now all I've heard is "give Dewayne time...somebody he'll be in the pro bowl." In his dreams maybe.
he forgot to point out that dumbway tied up so much cap money on the $64 million duck-thrower, that the vets left over from the tuna gradually left due to cap reasons-we didn't have enough space to re-sign them. then, to really top it off, he went dumpster shopping for the o-line again for cap reasons. like buying a $64,000 vette and trying to save money by not paying for insurance. that sub-par talent led directly to getting his qb injured repeatedly. all-in-all, a catch-22 disaster of a legacy.:sad:
It wasn't the Pennington contract that hamstrung the Jets. It was the Martin, Mawae and Chrebet contracts. And the continous restructuring of Vinny instead of accepting an inevitable 8-8 season somewhere between 2002 and 2004. We got worse than that anyway in 2003. By the time the Pennington contract was negotiated we had already lost Jenkins, Thomas, Coles, Aaron Glenn, Farrior and Hall to free agency (effectively since we let Glenn go in the expansion draft to avoid maintaining his cap figure.) We had also set the stage for losing McKenzie by not renegotiating him when it became clear he was going to be a solid young tackle. We got stuck on the fact that he was not a left tackle and ignored the fact that he was a pretty good right tackle.
