Terry Bradway's 1st day picks

I don't necessarily think it was his picks were bad but who he let go and who he resigned.

He signed Vinny, Curtis, Chrebet for too long.
He gave D-Rob a monster contract.
He resigned Ellis long time and let Abe walk, and Abe is the better player even though nobody wants him back.
He didn't manage the cap well enough (I know a little bit of this is Tannenbaums job) to be able to sign Jordan & McKenzie, who are both significant upgrades over what we have now and are still very young. I know Lamont's struggling and we had Curtis here, but Lamont could've been our RB of the future and McKenzie is a lot better than Fabini/Clement.
He let Coles go after he had developed such a great chemistry with Chad, then traded our best reciever for him. Granted I'd rather have Coles than Moss, but the situation could've been avoided by just resigning him in the first place. Randy Thomas is also a top guard who he let go. He signed Chad to a huge deal after 1 good season, and as of now he hasn't lived up to that contract. It's also the inadequate replacements he signed for these guys, for example Conway for Coles, Nutten for Thomas, McCareins for Moss, nobody really for Lamont unless Houston proves he can be a very good RB.

With Jordan, McKenzie, Thomas, Abe, etc. we would've been a much more talented team. I know we couldn't of signed all of those guys, but maybe we could've signed a few if we hadn't clogged our cap with huge contracts for guys who were past their primes. This team had a ton of talent on it, we just let slip away and they became great players elsewhere. The guys who he chose to resign haven't lived up to the contracts they got, and the guys who he didn't give contracts to are playing like they deserved the contracts they did get. Even James Farrior became a star when he left. Thank goodness we have Chad and Curtis who were willing to rework their contracts for the team, or who knows where we'd be. Anyway, I'm very happy with the direction the franchise is now moving under Tangini and expect us to have a bright future.

 

all good posts Jet Blue - and thank you for defending my position...

As you said, many of us on this board complained BEFORE the draft that the Jets were going to take Santana Moss. I was one of the loudest, citing the fact that there is NO WR in the NFL HOF under 6 feet tall...so why take one when you still haven't replaced Keyshawn with a big WR? I also said take Casey Hampton for DT.

In Hindsight (as some of you criticize) that would have meant no NEED to trade up for Robertson. We'd have already had a big run stopping DT inside of Ellis and Abe.

We're not supposed to be the experts, are we? But, would you rather have Victor Hobson or Anquan Bolden today?

nuff said

 

What are you? champ69 in training? I just think it's odd that the guy still has "Bradway sucks" for a name and he's still worried about who he drafted, just seems a little obsessive to me. I mentioned the 80s because if you want to talk bad drafts, that's where to go. Anyone who was around then doesn't think these are so bad, considering we got some good guys out of it.

What do people expect in the draft, anyway? You're going to rebuild your whole team that way? Get a clue, man. And worrying about who we passed up is the most fruitless exercise in the already overkill world of debating draft picks. The whole league passed on Tom Brady five times and on Joe Montana five or six times. That's the way it goes.

 

Italian, sorry to disagree, but if you don't like talking draft post mortem then just skip it instead of criticizing those of us who enjoy it. Draft-nicks enjoy the draft - that's the way it is. I've always enjoyed picking it apart and analyzing it...and if you don't fine, just please don't say it's any more obsessive than any other topics on this board.

What do I expect in the draft? I expect the best possible picks with every pick every year. Is that realistic? Probably not, but the teams that draft the best usually win the most...am I right?

Yes, the whole league missed on Brady and Montana, and hopefully by pointing out those mistakes, and others, our GM will learn from them...

 

Are you on drugs?
You obviously weren't here in 2001 when we drafted Moss since you'vebeen a member since 2003.
I am about the only one refusing to make hindsight decisions and focusing on the players he got and how they are performing.

 

I don't mind talking about it and I'm not telling anyone else what not to talk about. I was simply picking up on someone else's observation that if you call yourself "Bradway sucks" and then post a thread analyzing his draft history, how seriously are we supposed to take it? I mean how objective can it be? It's one thing if you're trying to make the case that he should be removed, but he's already gone as GM so I don't really get it, that's all.

 

i disagree with the opinion (like Junc - not to single you out, but you do it the most - and whoever else says this) that "although we made bad picks, they were better than they were in the past."

or

"Bradway/Herm did a decent job of getting us to the Playoffs 3 /4 years; much better than the team/rosters/coaches in the 80's and 90's."

while that's all true and nice, that really doesn't matter. all you're doing is making a comparison with very low criterion. for example: a student gets a 60/100 on a test and thus fails the test. but the student says, "well, the rest of the class got 20's and 30's on the test, so i did all right." yeah, the student bested everyone else, yet still failed the test.

because we sucked for long periods of time, draft blunders and free agent miscues are okay since we still made it to the Playoffs?

maybe for you. as for me, i couldn't care less how bad we were for however long; some of those mistakes were inexcusable and avoidable, and would not have put the Jets where we are today; which is why making the Playoffs really doesn't matter, because look where we ended up.

i don't think BradwaySucks' post was meant to attack or bash Bradway/Herm. he was thoroughly delineating the causes of our team's current status -- and where do we go from here?



cheers

 

Not again. I explained to you earlier this year
that there is a HOF wide receiver under 6'0". Four, in fact.

 

Might as well list the under six foot tall HOF wide receivers, hadn't I?

Largent, Swann, McDonald, Joiner

 

All 4 were "listed" at 6-0, none under...even if they were 5-11 or so. Moss is 5-8!

 

and Moss was a top 2 WR in the game last year and was extremely valuable for us in our run to a div title in '02 and was a top WR in '03. What his size has to do w/ anything I don't know, he's proven to be a top WR, he's not elite but he's on that next level.

 

Moss is proving this year that he is not an elite WR. Elite Wrs do it every game every year! Moss is to inconsistent to be an elite WR..

 

No.... Champ69 thinks ALL is wrong now.... ALL is ALWAYS wrong... Champ is 100% Darksider... I've been a Darksider and I've been an optomist.. Right now, I'm HIGHLY optomistic. But, I Can also give my opinions and if I run into 3-4 drafts that I Disagreed with as much as did Bradway's then at some point, I turn back to a Darksider.... For the Most part, no matter who the HC and GM are I give them a grace period, give my opinions along the way and then LOOK BACK at the results...

Champ will tell you Mangini and Tannenbaum are bums before they do a damn thing.

And again, If we want to talk about the 80's drafts then fine we can start a thread on that..... But, what some of us were doing here was comparing what WE SAID AND TALKED ABOUT RIGHT HERE BEFORE THE DRAFTS to what Bradway did...... At the time it was alwaya "Blah blah blah, Give Bradway's drafts some time Curtis Martin was a 6th round pick, Brady was a 6th.... Give Bradway a chance you can't analyze it now"...... Well, NOW is years later when we were told we can analyze drafts..... And we're simply doing just that - But, along come the people who tell us what to discuss... There's hundred of threads why enter a thread to tell people they are obsessive and they should be talking about other things liek Martin retiring.... If people love to talk drafts why can't they do it???? Why are they :Insert Name calling: for talking about the a part of Football and the NFL...If you have a problem with that then you should avoid threads that analyze drafts cuz I Promise you, Next year people wil be analyzing last years draft, the the few before that again, and the year after that it will happen again.. FOREVER... so, Maybe you should save you posts Telling people not to talk about recent drafts so you can repost them every year??????

As far as building your team through the draft - You know what, look at Super Bowl teams, THEY HAD GREAT DRAFTS!!!! And the Jets had a lot of Ammo in Bradway's years to assemble a MUCH better team than they did.....
They did "OK" with what they had...I think they could have reached Greatness, by simply drafting like I feel a majority of Jet fans felt they should....

 

GENIUS... My account was lost and changed. Thanks for playing.

 

For the umpteenth time, Ellis and Abe were offered the SAME EXACT CONTRACT. Abe turned his nose up at it, and Ellis had the smarts to realize that it was a good thing and he grabbed it.
Abe has proven ONCE AGAIN, this year, as with all prior years, that he is injury prone and more of a liability than an asset to the team he's on. I'll take an underperforming Ellis (this year, but then again the entire line is underperforming in the 3-4) over a bench riding, me-me player like Abe anyday.

 

Whoa Buddy, try some decaf. Once again, I'm not telling anyone what not to discuss, I just think someone with the name "Bradway sucks" is wasting a good deal of energy worrying about a guy who isn't in charge anymore. I have no problem with discussing past drafts, I just don't happen to agree with you guys that Bradway was the worst ever, he did some good and some bad. Now I have no use for mock drafts and speculation, so I do stay out of those threads. I stay out of the whole NYJ forum during draft time, actually.

And my only point about the 80s is to shed some perspective on the topic at hand--Bradway's drafts--and explain why some of us older guys didn't think they were so bad. Because we've seen bad. Bradway did a decent job, he wasn't great, didn't build a Super Bowl machine, but he was far from being as bad as people here make him out to be. He had five years, brought some decent guys in, but ultimately didn't do well enough to keep his job. That's the way it goes.

 

All credibility was lost after this sentence. "clearly superior" is a bit of an overstatement to say the least.

 

There are almost no WRs that do it every game every year, was this sarcasm or something?

WRs are extremely inconsistent, and that's why I don't think it's worth killing your cap over a WR, especially just one. A great QB can make mediocre WRs look great, and that's way more consistent. A crappy QB can make great WRs look shitty conversely.

 

Coles is one of the beter WRs in the league, I think.

To me the problem with this evaluation of drafting Moss is that we already had Coles when we drafted Moss. So Bradway shouldn't get credit for Coles on this, because he had to trade a guy of Moss' caliber just to get his own guy back that he should've kept to begin with.