I think what insanity says is what bradway's strength is, scouting and finding the gems in the draft. He was good(and still is good) at finding second day picks. However, he and herm didn't seem to be on the same page in the way that mangini/tannenbaum are.
1) I sure as hell would not have picked Bryan Thomas over Reed 2) I wouldn't have picked McGraw because the safety need would be filled by Reed in that draft 3) Would never EVER trade 2 1s and a 4 for a short slow DL 4)Would never sign 30 year old martin and Chrebet to 8 year extensions 5) Wouild have protected Coles so we would have both him AND Moss now 6) Would have francished Kareem as RT has never been filled 7) Would not have given Chad $64 M AFTER NE gave Brady $60M AFTER Brady won 2 super bowls Any other questions?
Ho hum.... Pretty good nyjunc says. Pretty good isn't enough... It's the difference between middling around sneaking into the playoffs and DOMINATING and Winning a Championship. And a lot of the moves were simple no brainers that fans here SCREAMED FOR... With the picks the Jets had we had the potential to build a Championship caliber roster....Again the most Boneheaded and Stupid move was Dewayne... UNFREAKING FATHOMANBLE.... I said it the minute that trade was made.. you NEVER trade 2 1st round picks for a guy like that and it was later reported that he had a chronic knee condition and he wasn't even the right fit for the Jets. Bryan Thomas Was ridiculous... We ALL said it.... Bradway was quoted as saying he was happy with the roster and drafted Moss pretty much as icing on the cake - a Kick returner he called him - NOT even a WR at the time..... That draft had BEEEEEF!!! that we needed and all wanted. And if you wanted a WR they were all there for the picking, the last thing you do is trade up for the smallest of em. Yeah, that list looks "Pretty good" NYjunc... And Herm's career here was "pretty good" and life as a Jets fan is "Pretty good"...... Ahhhh, so nice, just wallowing in Mediocrity. NOT!!!! Face it... They had ammunition, they had 2 freaking 1st round picks one year.. This team should have had incredible OL and DL's built up those years and everything else would have been icing on the cake... BUILD THE LINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Freaking Bradway.
Good thread..good post. Cant understand why anyone would tell you to get over it..this isnt fantasy football where you get to start over the next year..and its not yankee baseball where you can correct a bad draft and go out and sign 6 stars.
Those picks helped us get to the playoffs 3 times in 4 years for the first time in franchise history. that doesnt' sound bad to me. Sure there were bad picks- eevry team has bad picks but just look at these drafts and compare them to the 15-20 years previous(especially the awful drafting of Parcells) and you'll have a better appreciation of what they did.
You know I love this stuff! In 2001 - the Jets picks were: 1-16 - Santana Moss -the Jets even traded away a 5th round pick to move up to take Moss. Among the players the Jets passed on for Moss were (exluding guys we didn't need like QB): #17 Steve Hutchinson - G - the best in the NFL? #19 Casey Hampton - NT - my pick and a Pro Bowl NT #23 Deuce McAlister - RB #30 Reggie Wayne - a better WR than Moss IMO #31 Todd Heap - Pro Bowl TE #35 Alge Crumpler - Pro Bowl TE #36 Chad Johnson - Pro Bowl WR 2-49 - LaMont Jordan -I liked the pick as an eventual replacement for Curtis Martin, but if we weren't going to play him or replace Martin before Jordan became a FA, why waste this pick. Instead we passed on: #52 Chris Chambers - WR #60 Andre Dyson - CB #61 Shaun Rodgers - Pro Bowl DT/NT - my choice 3-79 - Kareem McKenzie RT -I wondered why we would take a RT so high? Even if he became really good, which he is, we couldn't pay a RT...so he left as a FA. Obviously Bradway doesn't understand value versus cap number and position. Instead we passed on: #80 Kevan Barlow - RB #89 DeLawrence Grant - DE/OLB #100 Rudi Johnson - RB 4-101 Jaimie Henderson - CB/S -I won't diss this pick since we don't know how good Henderson might have turned out because of the Motorcycle Accident... In 2002 the Jets picks were: 1-22 Bryan Thomas - DE - we had Abraham and Ellis so this made little sense? Instead we passed on: #24 Ed Reed - S - Pro Bowl and most of us wanted him. He's a game changer #25 Charles Grant - DE/OLB #33 Jabar Gaffney - WR #37 Andre Gurode - C #44 LeCharles Bentley - C and the best young one in the NFL #51 Clinton Portis - RB Pro Bowl RB 2-57 John McGraw -S had a dissapointing career in NY instead of: #62 Antoine Randall-El - WR/KR #65 Deion Branch - WR 3-88 Chris Baker - TE - finally paying off, but here's who went after him: #91 Brian Westbrook - RB #104 Alex Brown - DE Pro Bowler and part of the Bears Monster Defense 4-121 Alan Harper - DT/NT a total dissapointment instead of: #141 Andra Davis - ILB #187 Justin Hartwig - C/G To be honest the bottom of this draft was pretty weak... In 2003 the Jets picks were: We traded the #14 and #22 picks to move up to #4 and took - 1-4 Dwayne Robertson - DT/NT - we as fans didn't know the guy had serious knee problems, so we applauded the pick. Bradway took a major gamble and it has backfired on the Jets. Instead we could have kept the #14 and 22 and had two of these guys: #15 Jerome McDougal - DL #16 Troy Polamalu - S Pro Bowler #22 Rex Grossman - QB #23 Willis McGahee - RB #27 Larry Johnson - RB #29 Nick Barnett - LB #40 EJ Henderson - LB How about any two of these guys for Robertson now? 2-53 Victor Hobson - LB ok player, but not what I had hoped instead of: #54 Anquan Boldin - WR Pro Bowler #56 Osi Umenyiora - DE Pro Bowler #68 Lance Briggs - OLB Pro Bowler #69 Jason Whitten - TE #71 Nate Burleson - WR #82 Ricky Manning Jr. - CB 3-85 BJ Askew - FB who has hardly made a dent instead of: #93 Chris Brown - RB #97 Chris Simms - QB #101 Domanick Davis - RB #120 Asante Samuel - CB We did not have a 4th Round selection in 2003. In 2004 the Jets' Picks were: 1-12 Jonathan Vilma - who could complain about that??? We trade our #2 pick to Tennessee for Justin McCareins, and missed out on: #43 Julius Jones - RB #47 Tank Johnson - DT #71 Max Starks - T Starks is the starting RT who helped Pittsburgh and their running game win the Super Bowl last year. Would love to have a road grader like Starks at RT! 3-76 Derrick Strait - CB - everyone knew he didn't have the speed to play CB in the NFL, that's why he fell to round 3. If they didn't think he could play S, then why draft him instead of: #84 Sean Locklear - T another road grader #90 Matt Schaub - QB - who everyone seems to want 4-108 Jerricho Cotcherry - WR - who Bradway never though had starter material, but drafted him anyway and lucked out...we also had 4-132 Adrian Jones - T serviceable pick In 2005 the Jets' Picks (in Bradway's last stand) were: Well, Bradway tried to pull off the big trade, sending the #23 overall pick to Oakland for Doug Jolley and the #47 pick in round 2. Jolley was a bust and with... 2-47 Mike Nugent - K a guy who does not have an NFL leg! Instead we could have kept the #23 and had: #23 Fabian Washington - CB #30 Heath Miller - the TE everyone wanted in this spot #52 Khaliff Barnes - T The consensus was to pick Miller and keep our picks...then go #2... 2-57 Justin Miller - CB - the guy has talent, but still makes too many mistakes...passing on: #83 Chris Henry - WR Now it's still too early to judge all the 2005 picks, but here's our picks on day one: 3-88 Sione Pouha - who has yet to play -looked good in PS but injured instead of: #109 Marion Barber - RB #110 Brandon Jacobs - FB/RB 4-123 Kerry Rhodes - S this might turn out to be Bradways best (and last) first day pick! Overall, in looking back, you can't be happy with what Bradway did as GM in the draft... gg
First and foremost, the only first round pick we all can have a legit beef with is the Ed Reed disaster. Thomas was a terrible pick given the state of the team and players available. The rest of this is a) exaggerations and b) hindsight. Moss was not a bad pick he is a freaking pro bowler in the NFL. So he didn't mesh with our QB or team that doesn't mean he is a bad player. Also, while Robertson hasn't panned out as expected, that draft, which was supposedly stocked with DTs, was highly overrated. Think about it, Sullivan, Kennedy, Joseph, Warren, Robertson none of them really panned out. The only player who you could say was worth it was Williams but if I remember correctly he would have been taken before our first 1st rounder anyways. Also, the players taken with our original picks were nothing special. Michael Haynes and Rex Grossman. All of you sitting here rehashing every possible superstar available at a certain pick (*cough* Green Guy *cough*) are pretty lame because anyone can do that now that its all said and done.
Really, man. Time to change the name and start hating someone else on your own team. I think DRob, Thomas and Hobson have been some of the better players on our defense this year and I still like Vilma. If you were around in the 80s and 90s you saw a lot of worse Jet drafts than Bradway's.
Hey Rambo, it said "First Day" picks... Green, true true...of course, I was never an Abe fan, but you caught that one...so instead we pick Westbook??? I'd take a backup DE in the third round wouldn't you? Not #1?
BULL... It's only exagerations and hindsight if you weren't here and /or didn't give you opinions at the time..... The problem I had with the Moss pick, even though he's a player, is that we had some other pressing needs and there was BEEF for the Lines to add and a lot of us said so.. Then he gets a guy that he calls a KR to add to a team as if it's a SB team. There were too many GOOD wr's in that draft and it was said by everyone before hand, to trade UP for the midget among them. I bitched about the Moss pick since it was known Bradway was after him, and I'll always bitch about that pick and it's not hindsight. As for Robertson - You are correct, not all of those DT's panned out.... SHOCKING RIGHT????? THAT'S WHY ONLY AN IDIOT SPENDS TWO 1st ROUND PICKS ON ONE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! %@&*#%...... And you brush over the fact that they knew he had knee problems and the fact that Bradway acted like we had a monster Run stopper when we really had a smallish gap shooter. He didn't even draft the right type of DT it's the MONSTER DT we Always needed. And NO... ANYONE CAN't go back and talk in hindsight.. WERE YOU HERE??????????????????????? I doubt it cuz you would have read Green Guy's opinions THEN and you wouldn't be foolish enough to post like people are making stuff up out of the blue.... A lot of this stuff was No-Brainer stuff and THAT is why Bradway should be killed on this.... No doubt, concensus picks from this board were MUCH better than what Bradway picked... And that's based on what was said here BEFORE the draft and not made up afterwards like you are amking stuff up now.... The only one making hindsight exaggerations is YOU.
He's showing 2 facts: 1) We didn't NEED a DE. 2) IF we wanted a DE Anyway there were some good one's later so we didn't need to spend a high pick on a Project.... Bradway acted like this team was a SB team that had the luxury of developing guys like Moss and Thomas.....
Why do people tell others what not to talk about.... When you talk about Bradways drafts years ago people say "Dude you can't analyze a draft until at least 3 years"... 3 years later you get the 'Dude let it go"..... It's a bye week and it's Jets football - if we wanted to start a thread and talk about the 1984 draft, then why not... Or Mike Damato... or Chrebet or anything JET RELATED... WHY do people enter threads and then add garbage to topics they think aren't worthy to discuss??????????????????? And why would people tell other not to worry cuz the Jets of the 80's were A LOT worse... Who the hell is comparing the Jets to some of the worst Jet teams.. Why would we do that.. Compare the Jets to SUPER BOWL teams... Too many Jet fans are stuck in their losing ways... "The drafts were Swell, Herm was swell, the Jets did better than they used too... everone be happy" Why compare the NY Jets to the Kotite years... We're here to talk about WHY and HOW this team should be WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dammit. ;P
