WTF are you talking about?!? Do you not understand football at all?!? Do you know what a series is? Run, run, pass means that a run happens on first and second down, and a pass was thrown on third down. No fucking wonder why you people think the Broncos went run, run, pass. You have no clue what that even means! Holy shit...
From 1-4 to 2nd round of playoffs is some tasty pudding. Special teams were excellent and the defense was good, but they didn't change. The QB did. I don't know if he'll start, but I'll judge him by what the team does if he starts, not coaching decisions.
True, there is a lot that can be done with a dual run/pass threat at QB. Unfortunately Tebow isn't a dual threat QB, or he'd be starting for some team racking up the points by now. If you watched the last 5 or 6 games, teams started loading up the box with 8 or 9 guys. ...and for the most part, the Denver offense was stopped cold in one of the worst statistical seasons they had in the last couple decades. Pittsburgh blew a couple of coverages and got beat. But for the most part, that philosophy has worked. Take the Chicago game for example. With 5 minutes to go, the announcers were talking about a shutout and how long it had been since Denver was at the wrong end of those. Saw that at the end of the Miami game too. Was getting dangerously close to that against Kansas City in the second game too until a muffed punt put the ball into FG range. Tebow's ONLY really assetts out there are what most teams and coaches look for as BONUS to a QB who already has the skillset for the more conventional stuff. Unfortunately for Tebow, he doesn't have that quality, and his "bonus" qualities are actually his bread and butter. No offense can survive with that being their base offense. If the Florida Gator offense actually worked in the NFL, don't you think more teams would be doing it? College teams can get away with that, especially the Gators who had 10 out of 11 of Tebow's offensive players make the NFL. Really stacked roster against a lot of guys selling insurance right now. Chances are, the Florida recievers at #4 and #5 in the depth chart were miles better than the corners and safeties covering them. This is one of the reasons the spread worked so well, especially with a running QB. Just toss it up for grabs, most of the time one of his guys were gonna make a play on it. It just isn't enough by itself. He HAS to get that passing thing down, or it will be a career resembling pretty much what he has been getting with the Jets. That is why the Broncos didn't go all-in with him. Some games were won last year, some of it on his heroic play, but just about anyone paying attention knew he had some very serious flaws for a QB and KNEW the way the Broncos were pulling out wins just wasn't going to be a sustainable way to win. I mean, how many times can you rely on the ball bouncing your way all the time?
They won all those games because the defense held the other team to a total of 2 scores or less in 5 of Tebow's 7 regular season wins. (allowing 15 or less.) They only needed 13-16 points to win most of the time, so one flukey play here and there was apparently enough to win. Kyle Orton went something like 23-2 when the defense allowed that much. Manning lost one his whole career, and I think that was his rookie year. Tebow lost one last year 7 to 3. I'm thinking most QBs in the league would win under those circumstances, so I don't see what is so damn special about Tebow last year. yes, I think Orton would have won most of those games too. He averaged more than 20 points per game for the Broncos, but for the 3 years prior, the defense allowed between 28-30 points per game. Tebow's 16 points woudln't have won a bowl of snot... Cutler had us at 8-8. Not hard to see the defense did most of the heavy lifting last year keeping them in the game for 55 minutes until teams went into prevent and finally gave Tebow room to work. If they stayed on him like Kansas City did, I'm betting most of those wins don't happen.
You couldn't be more wrong. Arguably our best two defensive players at the time, Dumervil and D.J. Williams, were out for the first part of the season. Not to mention that Demarius Thomas missed the first 5 games as well. You see, these are the little things that make Tebow fans so god damn laughable.
Just to add, it took a few games to get Von Miller into NFL speed as he had taken his first practice barely a month before the season started. (No offseason workouts due to lockout.) Also took a few games to get the defense used to Fox's system. He barely had a month to implement it. The schedule got easier when it came to the offenses the defense would face, making it much easier to keep scores down. They traded away a disruption in the locker room (Brandon Lloyd, who made it clear he didn't want to be here.) McGahee started taking the bulk of the snaps. You gotta remember, the #1 back coming into the season on the depth chart was Knowshow NoGainO. McGahee didn't start carring the heavy load until a few games in. ..so no, only those seeing the world through Tim Tebow colored lenses think the change at QB was the only thing different.
It doesn't matter what Orton would have done, because last year is last year. Orton was terrible, just like Tebow was. It's over, and we've moved on with Manning at the helm. What does matter is ignorant Tebow fans thinking that nothing except the quarterback changed when we suddenly started winning. The guy made a false statement, whether he knows it or not, and I called him on it.
True, and it is worth pointing all of these things out. I suspect that they will fall on deaf ears however. I tried to keep my point concise so that it couldn't be glossed-over; we got 3 of our best players back at the same time Tebow got the reigns. So no, it was not just the quarterback that changed.
You're right, though they were one of the worst teams in the NFL before he took over. I do have to say that it was a large part because of Josh McDaniels. Trading Cutler was not bad, but you have to strike big with the bounty of draft picks you got for him. Bad drafts, Alfanoso Smith was by far the worse. trading a 1st round draft pick for a 2nd? If McDaniels wanted to draft Tebow, he didn't have to trade up. There was no way NE was going to draft him in the first round, they could have gotten him in the 2nd round.
I think it would have been about the same in the end. Probably don't beat Pittsburgh, but I think people are making too much out of this silly notion that Tebow did something special here that few others could have done.
I do believe that the turning point of the season was at half time of the Chargers game when Fox started to bench under-performers. Cassius Vaughn, Von Miller and Kyle Orton. He made this message, "Perform or get benched" feelings be damned. It was the right move because there were under performers on that team.
This following is all opinion and how you see it. But I don't think Orton could have gotten the same result during the regular season. But there's no way we could know for sure. Also, that season was something special and I really feel like Tebow did accomplish something special with his teammates. Especially since there were so many people saying that they couldn't win with Tebow. That season was special and is one that will never be forgotten. At least from my view. .
Funny thing, if you were on the Denver boards last year, or even this year, you would have seen a ton of posts talking about how Mike McCoy was a terrible OC and how his play calling sucked. In game day threads, many of us would call the plays before they happened (even before they broke the huddle). Phaytal has done his best to try and obscure things, but the stats speak for themselves. Go look at Tebow's splits from 2011. If you scroll down, you'll see his pass attempts by downs. This is where people get confused and mislead as it shows this: People like Phaytal will jump on this as PROOF that McCoy called first down passes very often. What they fail to take into account is the actual distribution of those passes, and how it has repeatedly been explained that they play calling changed in the 4th Q. Here are the telling stats: Now, look at the two sets of stats together. First set shows that Tebow had 107 pass attemtps on first down. BUT, the second set of stats shows that Tebow only attempted 37 passes in the first quarter for the entire year, and only 54 passes in the second quarter. The majority of those 1st down pass attempts came in the 4th Q after McCoy had thrown out the game plan and they went to a spread offense out of the shotgun. I tried to make this clear, but apparently, I wasn't able to. Last year, Tebow succeeded when the offense opened up and they spread the field. This forces defenses to change their coverages. Let me try it another way. Do you agree with the notion that some QBs are great "fits" for a West Coast offense, but wouldn't do well in an Earhard Perkins, or Air Coryell, or vice versa ? That each offense calls for a somewhat specific skill set at the QB position and that while a guy might thrive in one offense, he'd do poorly in another (at least in the beginning) ?
WRONG! Dumervil and Williams were both back for the 2 games BEFORE Tebow started......both were losses! He gained Demaryus Thomas....he lost Brandon Lloyd! I'd prefer Thomas, but at the time, it was not a huge net gain. This is the kind of statistical cherry picking that makes dealing with these brainless Tebow haters so laughable.
I did it to show what your agenda has always been and I accomplished that. It took 5 seconds to click on "more post" at the Broncos forum and then about 20 seconds to come up with your quotes , since 80% of your post are anti tebow rhetoric. You are consumed by Tebow dude, and not as a fan of his . wake up and realize it , if I am deemed creepy simply for being a fan of a player and defending him against unwarranted attacks what does that make you?
The defense was great. But your silly error has already been refuted while discussing 3rd down conversions. There is a reason the offense struggled. I suggest you read all the posts. But to remind you, with Tebow as starter for the Broncos (weeks 7 thru 17), here is their scoring breakdown: 1st Half: 60 points 2nd Half: 144 points The "it was the prevent defense" response does not account for this kind of disparity.
Actually, I thought McCoy did an awesome job under the circumstances. circumstances led to Orton playing himself out of a job, and the only other option was either go with Quinn in a tanked season, or answer questions about our first round pick (as wll as appeasing a VERY vocal fanbase.) They knew he couldn't throw... so they played a run heavy system that suited his strengts. Yet people insist he was misused. I'm not sure what people expected McCoy to do here. Tebowners insisted he wasn't meant for the conventional game, but they also didn't like the system that minimized his weaknesses (passing, reading defenses, etc.) and went with his strengths (scrambling and running.) Frankly, I'm amazed they managed to do anything at all under those circumstances. At least they tried. They very easily could have stuck with what they were doing against Miami and Detroit when he was missing receivers by about 15 yards and trying to go with a conventional offense. yeah, I would agree with that. I'm not sure what offense in this league he would thrive in... at least not one that didn't already have a starter there. Someone would REALLY have to go all-in on Tebow and rebuild with him in mind. Some would do it if they had faith that he'd improve on passing. Trouble is, I think Tebow is more suited to a style that has been outdated by about 30 years. Check out this video on Bobby Douglass... then put Tebow's name in his place. I'm telling ya, it's PERFECT. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Qnk3PNvs4 It's not an insult at all, but this guy was Tim Tebow long before Tim Tebow was Tim Tebow.
