Ok, now you're trolling because while I fully think you're a dick, I honestly don't think you're that stupid. First off, we're talking about alltime career JET QBs, not anything Sanchez does with Philly or where ever else he goes. So that's a pfail. If Sanchez comes back to the Jets (which I wouldn't be opposed to) we can revisit your idiocy on that point. Second, when discussing all time best careers, nobody talks about what they averaged per year. Nobody says Babe Ruth averaged 30 homers a year, they say 714. Nobody talks about Marino "averaging" 4000 yards a year or "averaging" 35 TDs a year. [made up for effect] And NOBODY gives a shit about passer rating. How about the ESPN QBR while we're at it. Third, prorating a QBs stats to project what he WOULD HAVE DONE had he played longer is monumentally stupid when discussing whole CAREERS. Geez you cannot be that stupid. You've got to be trolling. _
That's the good thing about message boards, though. People can take a worthless piece of shit OP and disregard the nature of it, and turn it into an interesting thread. Not saying that most of this thread has been interesting, but it's had it's moments.
Yards rankings: 2009: Defense: 1, Offense 20, Average, 10.5 2010: Defense: 3, Offense 11, Average 7 1985: Defense: 8, Offense 4, Average: 6 1986: Defense:18, Offense 11, Average: 14.5 Scoring: 2009: Defense: 1 Offense: 17 Average: 9 2010: Defense: 6 Offense: 13 Average: 9.5 1985: Defense: 3 Offense: 7 Average: 5 1986: Defense: 22 Offense: 11 Average: 16.5 So based on yardage and scoring, 1985 was the best all around team, followed by 2010, then 2009, then 1986, although 86 was full of injuries so the stats suffered. So both 2009 and 2010 were lesser quality teams, yet stepped it up in the playoffs, whereas the 1985 choked in the first round 26-14. So 2009 Jets weren't better, they just excelled extremely at 2 aspects of the game. Passing D and Rushing O. 1985 was the superior team, they went 11-5, but couldn't win when it mattered most and lost in embarrassing fashion with 4 offensive turnovers. Mark Sanchez stepped it up in the playoffs big time, while O'brien stepped it down and got benched in the 1985 game as well as got pulled for the 1st game of the 1986 playoffs. Nobody pulls the starting QB for the 1st game of the playoffs if they are confident in him.
LOL! Says the guy that ends every post on here with a _. WTF is that clown ass shit and why would you even waste time typing it? Talk about nonsensical uncreative horseshit. Please tell me, Mr Einstein: How else do you compare 9 years playing on a team to 4? If you are too dumb to comprehend what average means and why it matters, then I really feel sorry for you. You seriously believe that the guy who played 9 years is always better because he had more total yards and TDs? That argument is straight up laughable. If you really believe that then I hope to god that you don't actually practice law for cases that matter, because your clients aren't likely winning any cases. And what's even funnier is that you tried to say that nobody talks about passer rating or averages and justify it with a chart that shows the average passer rating of all Jets QBs! LOLLERfreakinCOSTER! That's the icing on the cake for me, I don't even need to argue anymore. This match is over. When players are compared who play a different amount of years, averages are used. Prorating is exactly the same as average except you bring the numbers up instead of down to find a point of comparison. I can't believe you really don't comprehend this very basic concept. I'm not saying O'brien is garbage, he's just a post season choker. His career stats are not that much better than Sanchez' stats for regular season, but Sanchez' post season stats blow O'brien's out of the water. The dude got pulled twice in the post season, what more can I say?
If you're talking about the best player to ever play quarterback for the Jets the answer is clearly Brett Favre. If you're talking about who is the most significant to the franchise then clearly Joe Namath. If you're talking about who had the best "career" as a Jets QB then that really just depends on what the minimum requirements are to get a nomination for this title. And those requirements are just gonna be opinion.
I gotta say Barcs got killed a few times on this thread. And yet he keeps posting. It reminds me of those horror/sci fi movies where someone is dead and they don't know it, like Angel Heart or something...
I still think Quincy Carter should be considered for best Jet Qb ever. Who else came close to "leading" the team to victory in two thirds of their starts? Can't beat THAT winning percentage!!!
Or maybe there was some Qb I can't remember who started one game and one game only, and "led" the team to victory. Sorry Quincy, THAT would be the best ever!!!
our top 2 backs averaged 4.4 YPC which is very good but far from great. Rankings tell part of the story. how many games did we pile on yardage in garbage time? we faced some bad rush Ds where we kept piling up the yards too. You think O'Brien w/ no run game after Greene got hurt and 2 elite pass rushers coming at him from both sides would have had success? how come w/ McNeil/Hector and many more weapons to throw to against lesser teams could he not succeed? actual points allowed. I removed any pts given up by O on TOs or STs: Yes I think we were better on D in 2009 BUT we blew 3 late leads in the reg season then a double digit lead in the title game. In '85 we blew just 1 late lead and that was to Dan marino and Miami not Jax, Atl or the Chad henne led dolphins.
So you really are just that stupid. We're comparing whole careers as to how you rank career Jet QBs, and you want to prorate and project what their stats WOULD have been had they played an equal number of years? Not how they performed, per year. How their ENTIRE careers compare. You play longer, you probably have have higher totals, but that's not the issue. And you probably rank higher in the hierarchy of career Jet QBs. Not O'Brien's fault Sanchez got kicked to the curb--you want to be an alltime great Jet? Don't get cut after 4 years. Seriously, do you not understand how monumentally stupid that is? I can explain it for you. I just can't understand it for you, too. (Btw, I'll ignore your absolute idiocy of suggesting what Sanchez does post-Jets counts towards his Jet career LOL). _
If prorating stats and then projecting them out to determine what their career numbers WOULD have been had they played an equal number of games--that honor goes to Frank Reich. 186 TDs and 27, 404 yards. Those numbers are better than Namath's. _
stop deflecting w/ nonsense about prorating. Ken only played 3 more years, you posted compiled #s. The point was Ken's #s weren't astonishing, he didn't do anything for us to warrant being the 2nd best QB in team history. also, agreeing w/ blocker isn't a good thing.
You can't really make any comparisons yet. The only guy who has shown he is any good out of the current group so far is Tannehill. The other 2 have potential but it's way to early to tell what they really are. If anything we have seen more bad from Geno and EJ so far, then good. Marino and Kelly are Hall of Famers. Enough said.
