you may want to watch football someday. O'Brien better than Vinny and Chad. I get not being able to properly evaluate mark, that happens w/ most average fans but to put Ken over Vinny and Chad shows me everything. You talking about insane arguments is hysterical.
No those were only in the order in which they played.. Not in value of greatest to worst.. All of them in any order you want > Sanchez
No insults, nothing childish, I just don't feel the need to engage in your sophistry--at least not on this topic. You're not teaching anyone here that has a brain anything. Maybe some of the kids, sure. You love trotting out the "pay attention and learn" line. That's your form of defense mechanism, it's called narcissim. Btw, you're just wrong on this one but that's ok. O'Brien was a better career Jets QB than Sanchez. _
you are funny, I don't think you are trying to be but you are. all you do is hurl childish insults whenever there is something you can't counter. you do it all the time. Rather than actually debating, I get it though. but Ken led so many dynamic offense and Mark sucked so how could their Os be similarly productive? I don't care about #s I just find it interesting how bad mark was and how "great" Ken was how close these #s are. I care about wins, we won more than we lost w/ mark and had multiple chances to reach SBs, we can't say that about any other QB in jets history no matter how much you loved them as kids. the funny thing is if Ken was our QB in this era he would be getting roasted daily on this board but people forget as they get older pretending everything was better when they were young.
Who's deflecting? You've voiced your opinion--it's wrong, you'll continue to attack and insult and default to your narcissitic personality disorder to obfuscate how wrong you are. You can't help yourself. That's ok. O'Brien was a better career Jet QB than Sanchez. Very few rational intelligent observant long-time Jet fans would disagree. _
where are these "rational observant long-time Jet fans"? you are funny especially calling someone else a narcissist
We had the #1 rushing offense in 2009. How many games did the Jets rack of 250+ rushing yards in 2009? I remember at least 4 times. With 1 time against the Bills going for 300+. The Jets running game was better. More reliable. We had the best defense in the league in 2009. We did not in 1985. Comparing defensive units means nothing when you have an excellent defense coach in Rex Ryan. The offense was def better in 1985 no doubt about it. Put O'Brien on the 2009 Jets - they would be a better team. The point of the argument is that Ken O'Brien a veteran QB that is a far better passer would have been a better fit for the Jets in 2009 / 2010 then Mark Sanchez. Not up for debate, Ken was the better player. If he were in this era he would have won the job over MS no doubt about it. The fantasy #s / average fans excuse is starting to wear thin. You say it for every argument. You aren't properly rating Mark Sanchez at all, in actuality you are rating the 2009 / 2010 NYJs not Mark Sanchez as a QB. They won as a team, Mark did not play an integral role on the team in 2009. 2010 I give him credit but I believe O'Brien with Holmes / Braylon / Keller would have put up better #s and more than likely we would have won more than 11 games.
If there were to be a poll that showed overwhelmingly that your position was wrong, you'd spend--hold on let me go check the BS Forum--yes 20 pages of you insulting posters, changing the narrative and throwing out your inferiority complex narcissitic dig to obfuscate how wrong you were. It's what you do. You tilt at windmills. Go prorate some stats to drive your pointless point home. _
You were going good until right there. Mark was an integral part of BOTH the 2009 and 2010 seasons. _
#1 in rankings. not in reality. ken never won a playoff game w/ more talent around him in a weaker era, why would the 2009 jets have been better? Ken looked the part, unfortunately he didn't play the part. we had a similar team in 2008 w/ a weaker sched, no Brady and a HOFer at QB- where were our title game apps? mark wasn't THE reason we made it but he was A reason and he was vital. Truly great Ds(which we did not have, not even close) still need good QB play and we got that. You guys just want pretty #s. do you remember Holmes was suspended 4 games? Cotch was banged up and missed games, Braylon had the DUI and when he was suspended a qtr Mark led us to a 14-0 lead at Miami in a big early season game that year? Probably not.
I don't worry about what folks like you think, I don't worry about what anyone thinks. I don't have the look at me issues, I don't try to impress people I don't know. I simply talk intelligently about football, as intelligent as one could be w/o actually playing in the NFL or working for a team. if that bothers I can't help you. You can pretend you are always right but you run and hide and post nonsense any time someone disagrees w/ you. You have major insecurity issues. I am happy you are fan, I love the little people!
Ah, the "insecurity" issues dig and the "little people" dig and the narcissitic "fan" dig, the "run and hide" dig. Nothing childish there. Btw, it's a good thing you don't care what folks think of you. Hey look, more windmills. _
I don't know about 2009 - he lost at least 3 or 4 games for us - some games he threw 3 interceptions and we were still in it - gotta thank the D in that regards. Huge fan of Mark's 2010 season though. I think if O'Brien was out there in 2009 - we would have went to the SB. It's not always about talent Junc. You of all people should know that. We had the better team that was held back by our QB in 2009 until the playoffs. Ken would have been the perfect QB for the 2009 Jets. Great defense, better running game and reliable weapons. I would easily tack on at least 3 wins to that 9-7 record. Falcons, Jags, Bills to name 3. The D fucked up the Falcons game but Mark still threw interceptions. Brett Favre, and the shitty coaching ruined our 2008 season. 2010, we still had good weapons to start the season. Braylon, Cotchery, Keller with LT / Greene. Injuries are part of the game. Deal with it. Again, I give Mark plenty of credit for 2010.
games we lost primarily b/c of Mark 2009/2010: 2009 at NO, Buf, at NE 2010 none we lost more primarily b/c of the D than Mark in those years- we won more b.c of the D too though. it's not always about the talent yet ken had more talent around him against weaker teams and couldn't win a single playoff game but you expect he'd do better than mark against better teams in '09/'10? ken would have been an awful QB for that team, we had one deep threat and all Ken wanted to do was throw long. and we started 5-1 in 2010, right? we won 11 games for only the 4th time in franchise history. he did pretty well. you bore me, please tell me more about how great you are. you crave the attention w/ your self esteem issues.
