Super Bowl XLVIII Discussion (Broncos vs Seahawks)

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Who wins Super Bowl XLVIII?

  1. Broncos

    50 vote(s)
    64.9%
  2. Seahawks

    27 vote(s)
    35.1%
  1. WhySoSerious488

    WhySoSerious488 Well-Known Member

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    LOL

    Right
     
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  2. WhySoSerious488

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    And like I said before, Peyton will probably lose this game, turn the ball over, but it does little to his legacy. Almost nothing in my mind. What QBs do people imagine would play well against this Seahawks D?

    Brady? Would have embarrassed himself, has had awful awful recent playoff performances against considerably worse Ravens Ds.

    Eli? LOL 5 INTs and shut out at home this year against them.

    Aikmen? Yeah, right. Give him a salary cap o-line and D (not to mention E. Smith would have walked for a big contract) and he would have looked like the 1-15 rookie against this Seahawks D.

    Montana? Salary-cap his offense and D (that means bye-bye Jerry Rice or Ronnie Lott), and then ask yourself, does he have the arm and physical tools to beat a D this good? The answer is actually pretty easy. Nope.

    Flacco? Has the arm but lacks the skills. 3-4 INTs, probably 1-2 returned to the house. He'd be dumb enough to throw at Sherman on an out route.

    Rodgers? First guy I could make the argument for, because of the arm and mobility and caution. He did struggle majorly in Seattle last year but his o-line was an embarrassment in that game. Still, Rodgers is probably the one guy I would consider on this.

    Brees? 22 points in 2 games this season. You could argue all the points scored were either garbage time or meaningless.

    Bradshaw? Seriously, can he even read? Take away his impossible to construct in 2014 team and he's probably Vinny Testaverde (maybe not even as good). Him against the Hawks D would be laughable.

    Marino? Has the arm but the Hawks D will outsmart him. Another stupid guy like Bradshaw. Lack of mobility will lead to one terrible turnover, probably goes for 6 the other way.

    Elway? Interesting case. But let's be serious, look at how many INTs this guy threw. His best chance would be to use his legs, a lot. He has the arm, but his accuracy would lead to "fair catch" INTs for Thomas and crew.

    Favre? Hawks pass D would be salivating. 4-5 INTs, really really bad. His decision-making is just so poor.

    Unitas or Graham? You better be 65+ years old and be able to compute how QBs from a dinosaur era would play in today's game.

    So go ahead, historians, how should Peyton be judged for a so-so performance in this one if that happens?
     
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  3. Brook!

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    I have been following NFL since 2005. I didn't even know NFL existed before 2004 so I am not very knowledgeable about NFL history. Pretty good summary. Thanks for this write up.

    junc

    Can you judge the past QB's who you think are greater than Peyton with the hard cap impact?

    Also please explain how you claim Peyton always had talent. After he went down, Colts drafted #1. I believe most of the players Peyton had to work with were already on that Colts team.
     
  4. Yisman

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    They're actually forecasting rain/snow but not until after the Super Bowl. About midnight.



    6 PM
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    43°

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    FEELS LIKE:
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    HUMIDITY:
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    WIND:
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    7 PM
    Cloudy

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    Cloudy

    FEELS LIKE:
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    HUMIDITY:
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    PRECIP:
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    WIND:
    NW at 6 mph

    8 PM
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    FEELS LIKE:
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    HUMIDITY:
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    NW at 6 mph

    9 PM
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  5. Poeman

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    edit: Nevermind found out my answer
     
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  6. Yisman

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    Meadowlands Racetrack

    18 mins → MetLife
    In current traffic: 30 mins


    That's according to Google.

    Mapquest says it's under 2 miles and would only take 4 or 5 minutes by car.
     
  7. Poeman

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    thanks, apparently its walking distance from the stadium...The back of the pass shows a map lol (im a dumbass)

    Its the old racetrack
     
  8. soxxx

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    Glad we are getting the conclusion on this game and season today.
     
  9. Brook!

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    Me too.

    So ready to leave this season behind.

    Here are the important off season dates.

     
  10. soxxx

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    NFL has gotten god-given weather. 44 degrees at the start of the game, 39 Degrees around 10 oclock.
     
  11. Br4d

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    Another good match up this year after the crappy David vs Goliath trend of the last half decade. Looks like the Seahawks game to lose. It'll be interesting to see if Russell Wilson does just that.
     
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    Some props I just saw

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    Sun 2/2 485161 Yes ( W.Welker drops a pass)
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    * Game Note: Will Wes Welker drop a pass in the game. Must Play For Action
    Sun 2/2 485163 Yes (Any player excessive celebration)
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    * Game Note: If the Broncos win will Peyton Manning retire before game 1 of the 2014 Regular Season
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  13. soxxx

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    Wilson has a ton to gain though to, people have kinda viewed him as the weak link to the Seahawks the past weeks/month. If Wilson can put together a big game it would elevate his status a ton.

    I dont think he needs a game like Flacco had last year but if he could put together an Eli like performance than I think people might view him differently.
     
  14. JetsNation06

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    The Seahawks wouldn't be in this game without Wilson. People who say that are pulling hairs to say he's been the weak link. I'd say he's been solid as usual and made big plays when the team needed them. Wilson is already viewed as one of the most dynamic best young QB's in the game. Even if he loses today, it won't diminish his stock. Similar to Kaepernick last year. If he wins, then obviously it ups his status as it does any SB winning QB. Wilson is playing with house money, got nothing to lose and everything to gain.
     
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    Personally I think hes been solid but people keep pointing to him as the reason the Seahawks might lose.

    I disagree with your "house money" statement. Playing in the Super Bowl is not house money. He has ALOT to lose. The difference between being a Super Bowl winning QB and a ringless QB is A LOT.
     
  16. JetsNation06

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    You need to look at the big picture. If we were talking about Joe Flacco who was not considered a dynamic QB coming into that game last year, then he has a ton to lose because people already questioned how good he was.

    Completely different situation with Russell Wilson as he burst onto the NFL scene in his first two seasons. Add to that, he's only in his second year which almost no other QB in NFL history has ever lead his team to a SB in only his 2nd year. Furthermore, his team is stacked and all under contract so there's no reason to think that Wilson won't be in this game at least one or two more times in his career. He has his whole career ahead of him. His stock doesn't diminish one bit if he loses this game and plays solid as I said he has been throughout. For Wilson, this game is all about house money. If they lose it's all about Pete Carroll not being able to win the big one. Wilson is in a great spot.
     
  17. displacedfan

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    Yes the difference in perception is A LOT, the difference in actual skill is up for debate.

    Winning the SB doesn't suddenly make Wilson play the QB position better just like for Flacco and like for Eli too. The difference in perception is HUGE though.

    Wilson is going to be fine win or loss. Wilson's best playoff game is the one he lost in his first two years. SEA doesn't require Wilson to throw a lot because of a variety of reasons:
    a) The run game is usually very solid
    b) They are rarely down multiple scores late in a game
    c) They don't have great WR or TEs for Wilson to target
    d) Their defense keeps the game close all game long, they don't need to score 24+ points to have a chance.

    And yeah most people think the Seahawks will lose if he turns the ball over and puts the D in a tough spot. most people do not see Denver scoring enough on the SEA defense without some help from ST or Wilson making mistakes. That's more respect for SEA's D than anything else. I think everyone would be shocked if Denver O walks in and drops 500+ yards and 30+ points on the SEA D to win without short fields or anything
     
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    A lot of money come contract time, for sure.
     
  19. Br4d

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    If Russell Wilson has a good game the Seahawks are going to win this about 80% of the time. The Seahawks are the better team overall. The question is whether their QB is going to play well enough that they can put the Broncos away even with Peyton Manning playing well.

    If Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning both play well it's probably a Seahawks win.

    If Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning both play poorly it's probably a Seahawks win.

    If Russell Wilson plays well and Peyton Manning plays poorly it's definitely a Seahawks win.

    If Russell Wilson plays poorly and Peyton Manning plays well it's definitely a Broncos win.

    That's kind of how I see it at this point and that makes Wilson the key player in the game.
     
  20. JetsNation06

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    Noone is saying that Wilson isn't a key player in this game. Any QB in the SB is going to be a key player for their team.

    Yet anyone who thinks that Wilson's stock is suddenly going to go from Ferrari to Mazda if he loses this game is sorely mistaken. Let me caveat that. Unless Wilson has an abnormally horrible game and throws 4 Int's which ain't happening.

    The reason for this is because Wilson is in a very envious position. His team is built to be the best, or one of the few best in the league for the foreseeable future.

    Who's the early favorite in Vegas to be back here next year? You better believe that Seattle and San Fran will be at the top of the oddsmakers lists as they were coming into this season as well.

    Wilson's stock really won't be affected at all if they play a competitive close football game and lose. If he wins then the sky's the limit. Hence why I said he's playing with house money. Almost every other QB in the league would want to be in his shoes not just this year but for good long while.

    Not to mention that people aren't giving Wilson enough credit personally for how well he's done at the helm of this team.
     

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