Super Bowl 50 Thread: Carolina Panthers (17-1) vs. Denver Broncos (14-4)

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Who Will Win Super Bowl 50?

Poll closed Feb 8, 2016.
  1. Carolina Panthers

    62.5%
  2. Denver Broncos

    37.5%
  1. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    very true.
    Cam's ability to extend plays in the pocket, or pick up first downs by taking off, poses problems for every defense.

    he won't turtle up at the first sign of pressure like Br*dy.

    Denver will need to stop the run, and try force Cam into bad decisions on 3rd and longs.
    easier said than done. will be a good matchup.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Daniels had this nice little double move on Jamie Collins for the TD. Should be interesting to see if they can pull that on the Panthers linebackers. Peyton was able to move the chains against the Patriots, which is a good sign for him. I saw a stat where the majority of his passes didn't generate YAC, so Manning was very much responsible for making the plays last week.

    I hope it's a competitive game, I would hate to see Peyton go out like this, but it's going to be a tough game for him for sure.
     
  3. WhySoSerious488

    WhySoSerious488 Well-Known Member

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    Manning not having a pick in the playoffs is more luck than anything. He threw several balls in both games that could have (and probably should have) been picked. Case in point the "deep" jump ball to Sanders that hung forever. I don't see Peyton making the type of sharp, on-target throws that make me think he has some new ability to avoid the INT troubles that plagued him earlier in the year. And as we saw at times with Fitzpatrick this year, just because you were fortunate to avoid INTs in a few straight games, that doesn't mean you won't throw 3 in the next game when that is the sort of player you are.

    And yet because he doesn't have an INT on his slate through the two games, people seem to attribute him as throwing the ball "better." But is he? In the regular season he completed 59% of his passes and 6.8 YPA, and averaged 1 TD pass per start. In the playoffs, those figures have regressed to 55% and 5.77 YPA, and he's still averaging only 1 TD pass per start. Even if you account for the WR drops in the Steelers game, he's at best throwing it about the same as in the regular season, only difference being he has been fortunate to avoid the INTs. Forget the name, the legend, this isn't the same guy. Best SB QB comparison I can think of for 2015-16 Manning is Trent Dilfer with the Ravens in 2000. That's honestly the level he is at, even if the talking heads don't want to say that out loud.
     
  4. Acad23

    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Much as I'd like to see Peyton get another ring, I don't see this game being much different than the SB vs. the Seahawks two years ago.
     
  5. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    I think it has a chance to be a lot closer than people think because I think Denver's defense has the ability to keep them in any game. But, I like Carolina.
     
  6. PickSix

    PickSix Well-Known Member

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    Denver is the sentimental choice because of both Peyton and Mr. Bowlen, but if they insist on sending Mrs. Bowlen up to accept the trophy again, I gotta pull for Carolina.
     
  7. Brook!

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    Same here. Rooting for Peyton but I think Carolina is gonna win convincingly. I bet all my vCash($27,000) on Panthers covering -4. As long as Panthers don't win by 1 to 3 points, I am a happy man.
     
  8. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Are you going to get v-hookers if you win?

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  9. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe 82% of America thought NE would win, doubt the betting action represented that.
    All Vegas cares about is that money comes in equal on both sides and they set the line accordingly.
    When too much comes in one side, they move the line to balance the action. They don't want a rooting interest or to be exposed with a liability.

    They make their money on the vig
     
  10. irishwhip03

    irishwhip03 Well-Known Member

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    On paper this is the most lopsided SB in years. The only reason the Panthers arent double digit favorites is because they lost a meaningless game in Atlanta.

    I wont be shocked if the refs keep Denver close , but if they won it I think it would be the biggest upset since the Pats beat the Rams.
     
  11. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    You'd be wrong:
    http://www.gambling911.com/football...ur-pats-vegas-will-be-peyton-fans-012316.html
     
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  12. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    As a school teacher, one of the first things I teach my students is don't believe everything you read on the internet or newspaper for that matter.

    Doesn't change the fact that the whole intent of the line is to draw action on both sides, all that shows is they underestimated the line and that it probably should have been higher to get more action on Denver. Sportsbooks are in business to make money, they really aren't interested in gambling and taking risks. While there are exceptions and sometimes the outcome can be a big win or loss for the book, the goal is for that not to happen.
     
  13. JetBlue

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    Absent of a direct rebuttal of the article, it remains more credible than a philosophy not to believe everything you read. ESPN may be sensational but they remain credible in this type of news.

    But you are absolutely right, Vegas sets the line based on where it needs to be to draw bets and make money. They even address that in the article.
     
  14. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    My father always taught me "don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see".

    He also used to say "get the fuck outta my way!"

    So there is that.

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  15. Burning Elvii

    Burning Elvii Well-Known Member

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    I also think cam gets hurt on a running play

    Delhomme mops up and Denver mops up the floor with him
     
  16. Jonathan_Vilma

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    It's interesting though. While he has the ability to scramble and extend plays, from what I've seen he really hasn't done it. I'm not saying he can't, or can't throw on the run, but from when I've watched the Panthers this year he's sat in the pocket and delivered BB's all over the field or ran the ball on designed quarterback runs.

    Think more Colin Kaepernick & the read option during their SB run moreso than Russell Wilson breaking tackles. It's going to be interesting to see how Denver handles the designed runs. They played 6 in the box a lot of the time vs. New England with every pass rusher they have on the field on near every snap. They'll need to beef up their lineup to counter the power runs with Stewart, Tolbert and Newton up the middle. Stewart primarily runs up the gut, while Cam is the edge rusher on the team.
     
  17. JetBlue

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    Cam is a pocket passer. Many people never wanted to believe that is what he is or could be, but that is exactly what he became. His athleticism is a luxury for him but not something he has to depend on to make up for any passing deficiency. He's a pocket passer and that is the primary threat the Broncos will have to deal with.
     
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  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    He's pretty much a statue in the pocket too. Sometimes he doesn't even take any steps in his drop back really when he's in the shotgun and the only drawback to his game this season has been the same problem he's always had. He has so much confidence (and rightfully so) in his arm that he often throws off his back foot and the ball can sail high as seen on the Patrick Peterson interception.

    It's happened so infrequently this year that it's really not an issue. More often than not he's thrown off his back foot and been effective at it this year similar to how Aaron Rodgers can have bad mechanics but enough arm talent that it doesn't effect the throw.
     
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  19. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I have never seen or heard of any Carolina fans until now. Now they are everywhere. Its like these "lifelong" Seattle fans found themselves a new team or something. weird
     
  20. Antoni

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    I always just go by DVOA. While Denver is the #1 DVOA Defense, they aren't home dogs in this case, and Carolina is the #2 DVOA Defense. There haven't been many cases of the #1 and #2 defenses meeting in the SB but this is one of them. Carolina destroying a very good team really boosted them.

    Spread wise, you want Denver at +7 or better and Carolina at -5.5 or better.Remember there are no good or bad plays, only prices.
     

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