yes i'm only talking about the past couple of weeks and the improvement zach had from easily the worst QB starting in the NFL into maybe top 20 territory. we didn't need zach to be great to win, we needed him to not be god awful. the last 2 weeks he looks decent. he's efficient and moving the offense. obviously he still needs to work on some things but he looks like a QB now and not like he doesn't belong. as far as jones, yeah his WRs are ass but you have to wonder how much of it is his own fault that maybe there is something there but they can't shine with him at QB. he was sacked 11 times against seattle, 4 of them were the lines fault the other 7 were on him. he looks like zach last year right now
QB rating is just statistics though. doesn't really account for everything. Did you watch last nights game? Love was awful, jimmy g wasn't much better. Remember when zach was throwing balls right to LBers all the time? thats how alot of QBs look right now. lost and confused.
Mac is not better than Zach. You forget how bad the Jets were his rookie season. Jones with still more talent than the Jets had in 2021 is playing worse than Zach as a rookie with less talent.
Jones has 41 TD passes and a career rating of 86. Zach has 19 TD passes and a career rating of 71. Homersism is a dangerous thing. Zach isn't qualified to wipe Jone's ass.
Yeah... I was trying to keep it friendly but he's clearly done more in this league than Zach Wilson has. And sadly its possible (hopefully not) that he's already done more in this league than Zach ever will. But lets concede that Zach is 100% better than Mac is. Now he's the 31st best guy out there out of 32. Jets just need him to be solid top 30. Top 25 would be incredible and the Jets would likely make the playoffs. Or at worst be a heartbreaking last week out or something. The reality is that there is near zero chance that Zach finishes this year as an "average" (which means 15th best +/- a few spots) quarterback. Zero.
What is Jones doing with no talent on his team? Worse than Zach as a rookie. Zach hate is a dangerous thing
leading his team to 3 total points in the past 2 weeks. yet people are complaining we got 31 this week because the D gave us 9 of it lol
I'm not sure why our little heels are getting dug in on this so deeply but where do you get worse? Even in this catastrophic start of the season for the Patriots, where they were be winless but for the fact that they were lucky enough to play a team with Zach Wilson on it AND when he was benched for part of a game Mac Jones is on pace to easily exceed the yards and TD's that Zach had his first season and is completing his passes at a significantly better clip than the 55.6 Wilson managed as a rookie.
Yeah, I am not sure why I get dragged into these stupid arguments. We all know Zach sucked his first two seasons the story of his future will be told on how well or poorly he plays the rest of this season.
your hate for zach is causing you to confuse better career so far with better right now mac jones has led his offense to a total of 3 points in the past 2 weeks combined and back to back weeks of bellichicks worse losses in his career of almost 500 games.
I respect your opinions on stuff G&C. You really feel like Wilson has it in him to improve to the point of being a solid "average" NFL QB this season when its all said and done? Lets even just say top 20. I mean that would be incredible and fantastic but I'm just not seeing how it is realistically possible.
i'm not even saying that. i'm saying the past 2 years he was the worst starter. the QB play has declined as a whole in the NFL over the past 5 years. scoring has been down every year since 2020. we don't have perennial 5000 yard 50TD passers anymore. lots of the "goats" retired and while we have some young studs still, QB play as a whole isn't great. zach is doing enough to win and outplaying alot of other Qbs the past 2 weeks. it's a combination of zach looking better and other Qbs looking like shit. he's never going to be a top 10 guy. rodgers is the man next year for sure, but if zach keeps it up, a playoff spot is possible. there are 7 spots. I would say the almost guarenteed barring injury teams would be buff mia ravens jags or colts (whoever takes the division) chiefs that leaves 2 spots for the fringe teams chargers, raiders, colts or jags, bengals, steelers, jets I could see us getting 1 of those 2 spots. chargers and bengals have the best chances though
On this we agree…while the plan was for Zach to just sit this year, fate has changed that, so Zach now gets year 3 to show if he can be a viable option going forward. That’s where we are. He has the rest of this year to see if he can improve from worst in the league to merely average, and then at the end of the year, we’ll need to make a decision on whether to exercise his 5th year option or not. Will be interesting to watch. I hope he can…I don’t really believe he can but I sure do hope so.
Jones is having the same year this season as Zach. Their stats are almost identical, and Jones has already faced Phily, Dallas, Miami, NO, and us - all tough defenses. Do you even follow football. When someone points out the truth its not "hatred". I'm not the one trying to pretend the worse QB is the better QB.
This is what it boils down to…I see it very similar…I would have swapped the Bengals for the Ravens but with the Bengals slow start this is maybe the way it will go. I think we have a slight chance…I think the Bengals and Chargers are both better than we are, I think we are on par with the Raiders or Colts, I think the Jags and Steelers are probably a bit ahead of us (though for the Steelers, that may just be more relying on history than actual play so far…they have not looked good this year, but they do have better coaching than we do I think and they just have more of a winning culture. With Rodgers, I thought we were a playoff team for sure…now, we’ll have to rely on Zach improving (sure, he’s better than he’s been but he still has a long ways to go) and see if we can make the best of an easier schedule after Philly
i'm not protecting anyone. jones has been awful. he's scored 3 points total in the past 2 weeks. i'm not even going to post stats because it's pointless (even though the stats greatly favor zach the past 2 weeks). watch him play. he's regressed and looks scared and confused out there like zach used to. zach is standing in the pocket and delivering now. 2023 mac = 2022 wilson. you act like someone who hasn't watched a game in 2 years based on your comments
yeah it's close. the chargers are far better then us but they find ways to lose games and have bad coaching. but herbert is a beast, if herbert goes down, they won't win a game though. even if he missed 2-3 weeks it could be the difference. bengals are better too but the 1st 3 weeks they were awful and IDK why except burrow was playing like crap. he went off this week though and looked like himself. steelers are pretty bad, they still have a beastly pass rush but not much else. pickett is awful, so is trubisky. and they don't have much at WR right now. just pickens really and not much of a run game. they do have great coaching though jags are interesting. very up and down team. they have talent but they aren't consistent. colts lack alot of talent. richardson was willing them wins, but minshew is a top tier backup and they are in good hands with him should be a really interesting playoff race in the AFC
Again, 2023 Zach = 2023 Jones. Their stats are identical. You suggesting the last two games prove everything there is to know about these guys.
no i'm suggesting if you watch them actually play there is a big difference. jones is in decline, looks like teams figured him out and he can't adjust for it. go actually watch jones last 2 games. if he was our QB and wilson was on the jets you'd be saying the opposite
