If you attributed this year losing to the lockout then what do you attribute the other 41 years of losing to? :sad:
I did NOT attribute this year's losing to the lockout, but since you asked, Here's what I attribute the other 41 years of losing to (42 years actually ) 1969 Swirling winds at Shea too much for Namath 1970 Namath gets hurt 1971 Namath gets hurt 1972 Namath can't beat Dolphins 1973 Namath gets hurt 1974 Namath thinks season starts on Nov 10th 1975 Namath too old 1976 We should not have hired Lou Holtz 1977 Richard Todd too young 1978 Young players not ready to win 1979 Matt Robinson sprains thumb and doesn't tell anyone 1980 Expectations too high 1981 Fumbled kick-off turns into TD for Bills in play-off game 1982 Shula didn't cover the field 1983 We should not have fired Walt Michaels 1984 Ken O'Brien hangs around with Mark Gastinueau 1985 Fumbled kick-off turns into TD for Pats in play-off game 1986 Gastineau makes worst play in Jets history 1987 Strike derails 2-0 start 1988 Ken O'Brien shows effects of getting crap beaten out of him for past five years 1989 We should've fired Joe Walton in 1987 1990 Blair Thomas is no Emmet Smith 1991 Blair Thomas fumbled 1992 We should've traded for Favre 1993 We couldn't tackle Eric Allen 1994 Marino spikes us 1995 Rich Kotite 1996 Rich Kotite 1997 Why did we call for an option pass? 1998 Championship game should've only been 40 minutes long 1999 Testaverde's achillies 2000 Bellichek quits as HC of NYJ 2001 Testaverde too old 2002 Pennigton too young 2003 Pennington gets hurt 2004 We played not to win the game 2005 Two QBs injured in one game 2006 Mangini can't beat the Pats 2007 Patriots cheated 2008 We should not have traded for Favre 2009 Championship game should've been only 30 minutes long 2010 Championship game should've started at beginning of 2nd half.
Some of those things you posted are somewhat funny but in end just a whole lot of coulda, woulda, shoulda. As some else pointed out all teams have bad things happen to them but some are able to overcome the bad because they are good whereas we have fielded so so teams for the last 40 some odd years This was your beginning of post #1 in this thread Although all teams were facing the same set of circumstances, I believe the strike really affected the Jets. Starting with the front office, who were faced with an inordinate number of key decisions to make, the moves were made quickly and perhaps were not as well thought out as they would have been if made over the course of a normal off-season. Reading that paragraph it appears you have dialed in as the lockout as the reason we are not excelling not the real reason which is the OL & CS including RR & most of all the GM :jets:
I look at people like Mangold and Ferguson and I see diminished production from last season. Sanchez was not as accurate a passer as he was last year, and that was evident from day one. I think they are good players who have proven themselves on the field in past seasons. I'm trying to figure out why they're sliding backward. I believe the lack of off-season practicing had an impact. If the lock-out didn't have an effect, then there can be only two reasons for poor play this year (1) They aren't that good and the previous seasons success was smoke & mirrors (which I don't believe) or (2) some other reason, which I would like to hear. As for your feelings about RR, I think the lockout underscores his value, since he had less involvement this off-season and we see the poorer results. I think Tannenbaum has had better off-seasons, and I attribute that, in part, to the lock-out shortening the off-season. You may disagree and think he's just not a good GM. That's fine too. The lock-out isn't an excuse. But it did happen and I think its effect on the Jets has been negative. Most here disagree, but I think many are bitter right now because of the last two losses. Jet fans tend to be realists, if not pessimists. That's fine, I am too. I never feel comfortable that they will win any given game, and that's a feeling that has been molded over the past 42 seasons As for my 42 reasons only being "somewhat funny", boy you are a tough critic!
My only issue with your argument (which I think has been pointed out earlier in this thread) is that if anything the Jets ought to have benefited from the lockout. Every team faced the stuff you're talking about. But, the Jets returned most of their core players from a AFCG run (I do agree that the receiving corps is an exception) and the same coaching staff. Most of the league's teams did not have the advantage of returning a solid core and maintaining intact coaching staffs (if you can call bringing Schotty Jr. back an advantage). So if anything, the Jets ought to have had a relative advantage going into the season.
Without looking at each team under a microscope, I disagree that the Jets had an advantage based upon who was returning. I think the Jets had as much up-hevel in the off-season as any team. Wide Receiver Edwards gone; Blocking TE Hartsock gone; Rg Moore had major surgery; FB & team leader Richardson gone; DE Ellis gone; Cotchery gone; Smith gone. Ihedigbo gone (The fate of Ellis, Cotchery Smith Ihedigbo had to linger throughout the lock-out, and their replacements had to be hastily (and, as many eagerly point out - inadequately) secured. But that wasn't my point My point was that the Jets are an under-talented team to begin with, that benefited by the coaching, confidence and conditioning instilled by off-season OTAs and mini-camp, and I believe they are showing the effects of missing that this season
