Therein lies the problem, too much O with absolutely no chemistry while neglecting the pitching staff is not building the team right. Putting all the blame on Torre is ridiculous and only confirms that Steinbrenner is running this team into the ground. Now I understand the thinking from Yankee fans that think it is just time for a change but to solely blame Torre is mind boggling. .
well,thats the thing. This team did have great chemistry while Sheff and Matsui were gone. When they came back,that chemistry was broken up and that falls on Torre. Thats why i'm calling for his head right now. That,and decisions like taking out Wang when he still had innings left and saving the pen.
I can't defend Torre because I just don't follow the Yanks close enough but my point is you guys(Yankee fans) and Steinbrenner are kidding themselves if you think that changing managers is gonna be the magic potion that returns them to glory. Change the manager.. fine but also recognize that there are to many stars and not enough role players & the pitching staff stinks. The dynasty Yanks never had to rely on a Jaret Wright in a do or die game.
when you may face an elimination game, you gotta make sure all hands are on deck....especially your best pitcher. IMHO, Torre didn't even consider the possibility of losing Game 3 Wang's got plenty of time to rest his arm now as a result
can't disagree with you....again a Met fans so not a Yankee expert by any means, but seems to me if you look back at the Yankees championships, some of the lesser names were always the one's coming up huge...complementing the big names nicely......somewhere along the line, they got crazy with the offensive names...I look at the A-rod, acquisition as the start of that.... The Mets are right now built a lot like those Yankee teams....albeit with not nearly as good a pitching staff....but offensively, the lineup is mixed with youth and vets....and some good solid role players I don't think a managerial change will make that much a differnce..but i do think Torre was a little too overconfident
yeah,but the same lineup is capable of beating teams like that 17-1. How would you explain the not scoring in 17? Did Jeter not get a hit because Arod was a few batters after him? Did Damon not hit because Matsui was in the line up? I doubt it. thye manager didn't get these guys up to win. ANY teams fans would be more than happy to have half these guys in their line up,people can knock it all they want.
The Yankees have built a team to win over a long season. The percentages play to them over the long haul. In the playoffs the 3 run home run isn't nearly as dependable as pitching, defense and manufactured runs. Teams that can pitch and pitch in match up situations with their bullpen and can manufacture runs can always compete favorable in a short series. Part of the Yankees problem is they have built a team to beat out a strong Boston team during the regular season and that stadegy has failed them in the post season.
I'm sorry, but if you need the manager to get you up to win in the playoffs, you're not someone I want on my team.
Why do Mets fans continue to post negative crap in Yankee threads? Can't you go post in your own at some point? Do you see us hanging around in Mets threads and talking shit? Just let it go. None of us has spent any time in your threads this year. No matter who was doing good, or who was doing poorly. Yet, all year long, we've had to suffer your arrogance. Anyway, I agree with typeO. This falls on Torre. Those who have not been committed to watching Yankees games daily for the past 6 months have no idea how this team won. It was not based on power. We had a lineup that looked like this for the majority of the stretch run: Damon CF Jeter SS Abreu RF (once we traded for him, but that was while we were still in second place.) ARod 3B Giambi 1B Posada C Cano 2B Williams DH Cabrera LF Spots 1-3 are all guys who get on base. The next two are all-or-nothing power hitters. Posada can hit for power, but gets his share of doubles. Cano is a total AVG machine. Williams is reliable for timely hits, and has a fair amount of power. Cabrera is a dream player for a 9 hitter, fast, smart, and gets on base. That lineup is the prototypical winning lineup. It's a traditional one. Your power is locked in the middle, and there are AVG hitters surrounding them. It's also full of defense. Damon has one of the worst arms ever, but he covers tons of ground. Jeter, regardless of what other teams' fans may think is one of the league's best SS. Abreu is a good defensive RF, with a canon arm. ARod sucks ass at third, but when he makes a good play, it's usually a fantastic one. Giambi is somewhat of a liability at first, however, he hits significantly better when playing first, and he is superior to Sheffield. Posada had a career year defensively. Cano, with exception of his lazy play in the playoffs is a very good defensive second baseman. And Cabrera is a VASTLY superior LF to Matsui. Instead of playing the guys that got him there, Joe's eyes lit up like a kid at Christmas when his "toys" came back. He yanked Giambi in favor of Sheffield, and expected him to be able to DH, where he has always struggled to perform. That removed Bernie, one of the BEST ALL TIME post-season hitters from the lineup. And instead of allowing Cabrera to do what he did all year, he plugged in the dismal fielding Matsui. Top that off with a lack of motivation from the coaching staff, which IS the COACH'S job, and you have a recipe for disaster. How do you NOT blame Torre for that?
I've been on this board for years and taken more then my fair share of BS in the BS forum... toughen up son.
Go take a look at the GYC thread.... that is a thread that celebrates the greatest collapse in the history of sports but a few Yankee fans are up there when it comes to posts. I can't believe a Yankee fan is talking about Met arrogance, just look or listen to Fatcesa and you'll see Yankee arrogance oozing out of that cheeseburgers ears...... As far as the firing of Torre, why is he the scapegoat for a team that had no problem scoring runs in the regular season but when the games really mattered couldn't? That's not Torre's fault, how many All-Stars did the Tigers have in their lineup? They had freakin Sean Casey playing 1st base foir christ sakes and they still beat up your Super Team. Don't blame Torre for the fact that the Yankees have and I am qouting a Yankee fan "check cashers" on the team.
