Like I usually do, I copy one post and just start writing. It doesn't mean that it centers around the person I quoted. It's just laziness the majority of the time. Your Torre crack was actually amusing. It honestly didn't bother me at all.
So when you say "If you can't be productive in this thread, then just ignore it." you aren't talking to me???
I didn't see the thread but and I hope you'll except my apology, I wondered how you flew off the handle like that so it made me think of TO. Sorry man but I'll still say Go Mets!!! Hope it's all good....
Guys, it's all good. No hard feelings okay? I understand Mets fans are on top of the world right now. My own issues aer my own problem, and I'm not trying to fall back on any excuses. I'm still hoping the Mets win. It's good for the city. Now can the Yankees fans get back to Yankees talk? :wink:
Well, they just said on the news that Joe is not being blamed by George for the collapse. Looks like he gets one more chance. I'm torn. I want to believe that this debacle is going to light a fire under Torre, but who knows. An advantage to his return is that we definitely keep Mattingly as hitting coach. Another is that we keep our core players happy. I thought it was time for a change, but then again, I have been saying that for three years now. The culture has to change. One more try Joe. That's what you're getting, and that should be absolutely it. Some of these players have to go, first of all ARod. Let's build a champ again.
Oh come on George. Supposedly, part of not firing Torre was that he was worried about fan reaction to firing him? Are you serious Boss? Another reason was that he doesn't want to pay him $7M not to work. Okay, then why are you paying ARod? The last reason is as I said above. He doesn't blame Joe for the collapse. While the blame has to be put on the players, how does the coach continuously get over without blame? What is the position of manager for, if not to prevent poor play? Okay Torre. You get your last reprieve. Try not to screw this one up.
Great, another year of horrible in-game management and a first round exit. Screw you, George. Go into a retirement home already, you old senile moron. EDIT: There is one last hope, however. Bill Madden is a best friend of Steinbrenner and the most recognizable baseball writer in NY for such a long time, and he still says that Joe will be gone. The only guy who is saying that Joe will stay is George King, who might only be beat out by Mark Cannizaro as the most hated and most inaccurate sportswriter in the NY area.
I am for a fresh start but Torre did a great job during the reg season, how is it his fault the bats went cold again in postseason? It's his fault for starting Matsui and Sheff but matsui was one of the few guys who did hit. How exactly was this loss Torre's fault?
Well, despite all his awful in-game managing for the past few years, this team has had a loser's mentality in the post-season ever since Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS. It's time for a fresh start, and this was the perfect year for George to do it. You can't say he did a great job in the regular season when the bats were hot, and then say it wasn't his fault when the bats went cold in the playoffs. He deserves credit and blame, and ultimately, the blame he gets is of post-season failure.
that starts w/ ARod. It's more the roster than it is the Mgr. For keeping the team calm in and in the race through those injuries was a tremendous job. I agree it's time to move on but I don't blame Torre for this debacle. it's a poorly constructed team.
So if he gets credit for keeping the team in the race, he doesn't get blame for the total choke job the past three post-season appearences? A-Rod was one of the main culprits, but he doesn't get all the blame. Regardless, everyone can see that it's time to move on, so there's no use arguing over it.
I don't see how it's his fault the bats went cold and ARod was THE main culprit. other guys ptiched in to help him but he was far and away our worst player the last 2 postseasons.
Seeing bad managers return to the playoffs year after year makes you wonder if who the manager is really matters that much. Of course in the playoffs one boneheaded move can cost you your season but I don't think being a good or even competant manager is a requisite for regular season success. If the talent is on the roster it will take care of itself.
To keep the yankees even in the race after the injuries we suffered was an amazing job but to win the div by 10 games was an incredible job. Look at what boston did as soon as they got a few key injuries- they folded in an instant but our team was held together and Joe gets a ton of credit for that. No one has had more postseason success than joe has in the last few decades so by your post you must think he's a good Mgr?
I don't watch the Yankees enough to say whether he's good or not but by impression of him is that he doesn't get in the way too much, which makes you look like a genius when things are going well and like an idiot when they aren't. Art Howe won 100+ games with the A's 2 years in a row and he's one of the worst managers I've ever seen. Willie is doing alot of the same stuff he did last year except now the Mets are much more talented and these moves work out alot more so he looks smarter.
yeah, Torre is going to speak with reporters later today. Supposedly he's been assured that he's coming back for a 12th season.
Salaries Alex Rodriguez $ 21,680,727 Derek Jeter $ 20,600,000 Jason Giambi $ 20,428,571 Mike Mussina $ 19,000,000 Randy Johnson $ 15,661,427 Johnny Damon $ 13,000,000 Hideki Matsui $ 13,000,000 Jorge Posada $ 12,000,000 Gary Sheffield $ 10,756,171 Mariano Rivera $ 10,500,000 Jaret Wright $ 7,666,667 Kyle Farnsworth $ 5,416,666 Shawn Chacon $ 3,600,000 Ron Villone $ 2,250,000 Octavio Dotel $ 2,000,000 Tanyon Sturtze $ 1,500,000 Bernie Williams $ 1,500,000 Aaron Small $ 1,200,000 Mike Myers $ 1,150,000 Miguel Cairo $ 1,000,000 Kelly Stinnett $ 650,000 Robinson Cano $ 381,000 Nick Green $ 356,700 Bubba Crosby $ 354,250 Chien-Ming Wang $ 353,175 Scott Proctor $ 352,675 Andy Phillips $ 333,150 Wil Nieves $ 328,600 Out of the top 10 salaried players you have 1 pitcher who is carrying his weight. Untill that's addressed blaming Torre is a joke. Mussina and Johnson are No. 3 or 4 starters making 35 million between them.
He wasn't far and away the worst player. Of the hitters he deserves the most blame, but Sheffield was almost as awful.
If blaming him is a joke, then giving him any credit for winning in the regular season with this juggernaut is just as much of a joke.
