Beningo gotta give this "woes is me" Jet schtick up. We have not been to the Bowl in 37 years but geez, over the last 10 years we are in the the top half of the NFL in wins.... no? Give it up Joe, be an Arizona or Detroit if you want sympathy. Also, I am dissapointed that he said we are trying a quick fix and becoming like the Redskins. We have all out draft picks and the money to sign them. That's what someone from a National scene would say. Did we do what the Browns did and give away all our day 1 picks. And BTW, every publication loves what the Browns did. Typical anti Jet
We didn't draft awfully from '02 to '05, we changed schemes again which made good players less useful but in that span we got: Baker: solid starting TE McGraw: good safety but was always hurt Thomas: had 1 good year Robertson: was a force in the 4-3 Hobson: solid starter Askew: was a solid starter at FB Vilma: star in the 4-3 Cotchery: a notch below pro Bowler Coleman: solid starter at S Ward: good player for the Giants Washington: excellent STer Nugent: good K Miller: good KR Pouha: gives us quality depth at DT Rhodes: star We drafted well from '02-'05.
I was thinking the exact same thing as I listened to the interview. We didn't make him the highest paid OL ever for his IQ. I still thought it was funny though.
Junc, we may have drafted decent players but lets look at how many of those players are still here and contributing to our beloved Jets, thomas from the 02 draft, Nobody from the 03 draft will be here come seasons start (i'm against getting rid of robertson but it is all but a garuntee he will be gone by TC) from the 04 draft Cotchery is the only guy still around, and while he is contributing he is not a superstar, from the 05 draft Nugent is a solid kicker, Miller has done nothing to prove he was worthy of a second round pick he has so far been nothing more than a KR, Pouha has provided depth but has been injured to often to contribute consistently, and Rhodes is a quality star. So in summariztion we have 2 players left from the drafts 02-04 Thomas had 1 good year, and Cotchery is becoming productive, but won't ever be a dominant #1 reciever. From the 05 draft we have one of the league's best kickers, in Nugent (top 10) and Rhodes, then we have a KR who we drafted in the second , and a often injured DT who has finished more seasons on IR than on the field. I would call that drafting pretty badly. That said about Pouha I think if he can stay healthy he will definately be good in a NT rotation, and I despised the Justin Miller selection I didn't think he would become a decent CB in the NFL and so far all he has done is be a good KR, i'm hoping he becomes a good corner, but i'm not as optimistic as some on the board that he will be good.
We drafted good players, players that helped us win a div title and get to the postseason 3 times. We have since changed schemes and had to let some people go but those drafts overall were very good. If we didn't follishly change to a 3-4 we would have effective players in Vlam and Robertson and wouldn't have overpaid on Pace but we didn't. I like the moves we made but we had to get rid of some guys that don't fit our current schemes. I will take production like that from every draft. We had 11 starters(including the K) in those 4 years(11 of 30 picks). That's pretty good. Compare that to '97-'99 where we drafted 31 players and 7 turned into starters.
When did Robertson become a "force" in 4-3? And theres STILL people complaining about the switch?...Christ...
Go watch tapes of him in 2004. He was a top notch DT in 2004 and a main reason we had a top 5 D. He was hurt in '05 then we switched the the 3-4 where he hasn't played badly but is obviously playing our of position.
What hurt him in '05 was the loss of Fergy. That was the only time in his career that DRob played like the #4 overall pick.
2004?....alot of it was due to Abe. Who saw them saying Pennington should start? I don't like this open competition business. I would even feel better if we took Matt Ryan at 6 if he was there but he won't be...
That is what hurt ferguson. Robertson made him alot of mmoney in that offseason and ferg never was as good as he was in dallas as he was as a Jet.
Fergy has been way better for the Cowboys than Robertson has been with us. He was a pretty damn good NT for them before injuries hit this year. You might be the first person I've ever seen argue that Robertson was dominant as a 4-3 DT. He could and should have been one, but losing Fergy killed him and our run D as a whole.
I dont agree w/ Junc often..but he's right about D rob. He was by far our best player on D during the 04 season..In fact if you were to go back to TGG during that season, very few posters would disagree. That whole D-line complimented eachother well...but D rob was constantly getting ridiculous penetration and disrupting things behind the line. He also played well in the 05 season..but suffered from a lingering injury and of course a back-up 280 lb NT next to him in James Reed.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80745352 and http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807455a3
ferguson was a bust w/ dallas. Robertson struggled the last 2 years b/c he was playing out of position. He will thrive when he is back in a 4-3. I am not arguing Robertson was dominat his entire time here but in 2004 he was a big time polayer for us. Go back and watch that GL stand before the Barton penalty against SD and you'll see what I mean.
I think people are looking for more than one goalline stand, in one game, in one season. I think it's his entire body of work that's tarnished him in peoples' eyes, even ignoring these last two seasons because we all know he's been out of position. It doesn't change the fact that he didn't do much in his other seasons except for one.
I think you've got something there. We have an expectation that DRob should be a disruptive force because he was such a high draft pick and cost us so much. However, he is much more of a system player. If he is matched well on the line he adds that quickness and unpredictability that almost always creates havoc with the offense. If I remember when he is at his most effective, it is when the other DL are not falling down on the job and giving people a chance to outnumber him. If everybody on the defensive line is a factor to be dealt with oftentimes it is DRob that blows up the play. I think this is what the CS likes so much about him. They have never been sussed about his not being the overwhelming fat slob in the middle of the line that gums things up. I can't tell you the number of times that Mangini has come out and patiently explained that DRob uses completely different techniques than that, and that he, Mangini, has seen a number of different techniques (implying that DRob's among them) work very successfully in this 3-4 / 4-3 hybrid that Mangini is building. DRob needs to play on DL that has everyone at a generally competent performance level. Otherwise, his special brand of havoc cannot be as effective. I don't think the Broncos are thinking of DRob as DSlob like a lot of the guys on this "message board". I think maybe football people see something pretty special in this 310 pounder who ignores his bone-on-bone knee and can out-quick his guy and then overpower him with his strength. I hope that DRob stays with our defense because next year it will be better so he can be steller. Any way you look at it, that huge contract is going to be renegotiated. He renegotiated it with the Bengals but their docs got cold feet, and he is renegotiating it with the Broncos as we speak. If this deal falls through he can just renegotiate it again with the NYJ, too.
That was an example of what he did in '04, he was doing that all year which was a major reason we were a top 5 D.
