Good to hear that Sanchez is working hard to improve himself and getting ready to run the WCO. Hopefully the team improves the OL and gets Sanchez some better weapons to work with.
I HATE this argument. Give me a guy who plays like a competent NFL QB the WHOLE game. Not somebody who sucks for 80% of the game, so that the result depends on two or three plays that absolutely must be made or we come out on the short end. In the long run, those plays go the other way just as often. No thanks.
Hate it or love it, it's the truth. Go back look at the Chargers game. 2 or 3 plays can make or break a game. Rarely do you see a QB lay competent the entire game in the post season. Peyton choked away their SB season last year and even so he needed the Special teams to make plays to keep it close. Matt Schaub couldn't handle the pressure in the post season last year and his team imploded.
Sanchez needs above average talent all around him to perform at an above average level which leads me to believe he is below average. We need a new QB, Sanchez would be a good fit as a backup for a great running team that has some big targets for him to overthrow to. I like the guy, but we are wasting our time talking about hoping this guy will improve at this point.
Sanchez needs to stop being burdened with shouldering the entire load on offense. Too many times last season I have seen an ineffective running game and the defense basically zoned in on stopping Sanchez. Even HOF qbs can be rendered ineffective when the opposing DC gets to spend the entire seven weeks gameplanning to stop him. We need more dynamic weapons to give sanchez a breather from time to time.
Even if the weapons are provided Sanchez will be too erratic to make the offense a major plus. Yeah it really helped him and the Jets out when Holmes was able to break plays underneath because Braylon was taking the top off the defense. It also helped when Jerrico Cotchery and LT were capable of getting good gains after the catch. However the Jets offense was still mediocre because the QB was mediocre. The thing about Sanchez is that getting him better tools is only half the issue. The other half is he has to play way above the level that he has established in his four years as the starting QB. I'm not talking a bit of an improvement either, he has to be a very good QB for the Jets offense to succeed. So far there is no evidence at all that he is capable of playing at a very good level if he's asked to do anything other than be the counterpoint in a rushing based ball control offense.
Had it been Sanchez playing the Ravens, and he threw a TD to give the Jets a lead with about 1:00 to play before the defense allowed a 70 yard TD with 40 seconds left in the game, you would be saying how the D let Sanchez down. Since it is Manning, he choked the game away and needed the special teams to keep it close. :rofl: Sanchez can ride along with our team, and as long as he converts a couple of first downs, he is clutch. It doesn't matter to you that it was the D and running game that did all the work to win. Tebow was really clutch in that game against the KC Chiefs last year. Who cares that he only completed 2 passes the whole game? 1 of them was for a TD that helped win the game. The guy is Clutch! We should be starting him.
We are a defense first team are we not? Again, it takes an all-out team effort to win in the playoffs. Manning played like shit against the Ravens, including an INT where he throws back across his body - a cardinal sin when playing QB in this league. He made a mistake that ultimately cost his team the game in the playoffs. Much different scenario than the Sanchez / Chargers game. As long as he makes the plays that are needed throughout the game, the QB doesn't need to make plays each and every down he's out there. Troy Aikman was the same type of QB. Wasn't the best regular season performer, had a great team around him, but when he was needed the most, he always came through. That Cowboys team won 3 SBs. That was the vision I saw for the Jets and Sanchez when he was drafted.
The Jets were the most talented when Sanchez was just a snot nosed rookie thrown directly into the NFL fire. And as part of the Jets team took us to 2 straight AFCCG in a row, something that no rookie QB with a rookie HC had EVER done before in the history of the NFL. But as time marched on and as Mark began to develop, the entire squad began a significant down slide of talent, even the Defense that was betting old and slow. In 2009 (Mark and Rex's rookie year) we had the #1 offensive line, #1 running game, #1 special teams, and #1 defense in the entire NFL. Since then, all phases of our team, including QB play, has been in decline with some phases in STEEP decline. After investing 4 years of my heart and soul rooting for the Jets, Rex, and Sanchez, I would LOVE to have just ONE season with Mark and Rex with 4 years experience together surrounded by some really good talent, good o-line, great run game, good receivers, and most of all, good coaches including OC. I know this will probably never happen and we'll just have to let go and move on but damn......
Please don't ever compare Sanchez to Troy Aikman in any way, shape or form when it comes to QB'ing skills or being an inherent winner. I hope you weren't being serious. Aikman's trademark skill was his pinpoint accuracy. Sanchez has the worst accuracy in the league.
I'm not comparing Sanchez to Troy Aikman QB skill-wise, but team philosophy wise. They are two completely different QBs. Aikman was a piece of the puzzle, had a strong running game and a really good defense. He was part of a great team. Sanchez and the Jets had the potential to be in the same situation. Both played well in pressure moments.
When Aikman had Superbowl and playoff caliber teams he was good. Rating of- 86,89,99,84,93,80 Without a playoff team around him 55,66,78,88,81,64 The most TDs Aikman ever threw in a season 23 the most yards 3400. When the Cowboys failed to make the playoffs Aikman never threw for over 60% completions. With a great running game and HOF WR Aikman was great without it he was average to below average. No reason Sanchez cannot be a Troy Aikman like QB if he steps up. He has already thrown for more yards and more touchdowns in a season that Aikman has. The last year Aikman played with a crappy team he was 4-7 with compl % of 59% sevend TDs and 14 int for rating of 64.3 and he his career ended becasue of concussions . DO these numbers sound familiar and this was with a hall of fame QB yet we want to dump Sanchez.
Totally different era. Nowadays average QBs break 4000 yards and break 30tds. Back then that was an amazing year. Now top QB's break 5000 yards and 40-50 tds. Look at 1993: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1993/passing.htm Elway and Young were the only ones to break 4000 yards, great QB's like Moon and Farve didn't even break 3500. Look at 1992: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1992/passing.htm Only 1 QB did it in 92, Marino. The only real statistical argument I could make for Sanchez is he improved every year up until last year. He even improved in 2011 with what I would perceive to be a worse set of RB's and WRs than 2009 and 2010. Mark needs to learn to protect the ball based on game situations. If he could just cut his turnovers down, I think everything else would come to him eventually. The problem is it's all mental, he's been in the league for a long time, and it's not getting better.
Mohrinwheg will get you what youre looking for. Holmes,Hill,Kerley,Cumberland, and whoever emerges out of Powell,McKnight, and Goodson...will be sufficient. Big plus if we keep edwards, and get something out of jordan white and hayden smith.
Which tells me that you obviously never saw Aikman play. Name a mediocre QB that won 3 Super Bowl rings? You can't because there was never a mediocre QB that won multiple rings. You're picking out pieces to make your argument instead of looking at his whole resume which is a HOF resume. Whereas with Sanchez you want to pick out pieces of decent play instead of looking at his entire resume which is horrible minus those 4 road playoff wins.
The facts are the facts when Aikman was on a bad team he was average to below average just no denying that. When Aikman was playing with the best line in football,HOF WR and HOF RB he was great. I never said Sanchez has accomplished what Aikman has but put Sanchez on those Cowboys teams and I guarantee you his numbers would be pretty good. What happened did Aikman get worse as his career went on? Of course not he just lost his weapons and could not perform. As you said Aikman has a hall of resume and could not make a crappy team good or make his crappy receivers any better or make his o-line play better. Yet, you expect Sanchez to do it with probably after all the injuries one of the worst receiving cores in NFL history. Do you now see why I am willing to give Sanchez another chance? Edit: And Aikman had great coaching (Norv Turner) when he lost him he also struggled. But I forgot that is on Sanchez to.
