just to get this straight you';d be pissed with getting a top 3 edge guy and a unicorn playmaker on defense that offenses will have to account for , but would be happy with a WR at 10 who realistically isn't much better if any then the next 7 guys behind him? I like wilson I think he's the top WR in the draft but it's so stacked at WR there are a lot of guys behind him I think will actually turn out better in the NFL
And if Jermaine Johnson is gone by 10? There is a huge drop off after that. If we can get Hunter it's a moot point, we could get Hamilton (rather have Sauce) at 4 then a WR at 10 and we will still have 2 great edge guys with Lawson and Hunter.
I don't understand the love for Cooper, either. Jerry Jones vastly overpaid him, and that doesn't make you good. Look what MacCagnan gave CB Trumaine Johnson.
it's pretty unlikely. most have him as the 4th edge and some a little lower. hutch, KT, and walker are expected before him at minimum and possibly karlaftis and ojabo. when you look at the top 9 the almost guaranteed ones to go are hutch, hamilton, KT, neal, walker, cross, and sauce. thats 7 total. leavin 2 more open. rumor is seattle at 9 wants willis to replace wilson at QB. lots of possibilities for the man out. plus anything can happen in the draft there will be a good edge at 10 regardless
I see WR as a need, but perhaps not as much as you. I think Davis, Moore, Berrios, and the two TEs we signed are a serviceable receiving unit. Of course that assumes they are all healthy. I want 3 of jets first 4 draft picks to be on DEFENSE. We need another edge rusher (preferably in round 1), we REALLY need linebackers, interior DL, and another safety. The jets got TOTALLY run over last year, and now is the time to address that. Too early to give up on Davis, and if Moore is a slot receiver, why resign Berrios?
?? technically should have been?? If they can't hack it, they can't hack it. What they saw in these draftees wasn't what they THOUGHT they saw. You HOPE for quality starters with higher draft picks, sure.
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Yes, that's right, but you did put a lot of spin there Getting KT would make my day for sure. That takes care of Edge need, and we NEED a WR who can contribute now. Wilson seems most pro ready with a lot of potential too, but if we trade back a bit and take say Olave or even London, I would still be happy. I am out on Burks after very poor combine showing, at least at the top end of the draft, because I feel lack of athleticism will limit his ability to succeed at the next level going against premier athletes. In the second/late first round though he is a possibility. Hamilton to me does not make sense this high in the draft. I am not sure he is a unicorn, and I just saw a young top safety sign 14 mil a year contract. We got a really good safety for 7 mil a year. Positional value is too low. I am not happy with JJ at 4. I stated my reasons earlier. He didn't produce at Georgia and even at Florida pressure rate and pass rush win rate was low, in spite of him being two years older than most other players. I do want to get Edge in the draft, which is why I am drooling over KT. If not, there are other options, like Enagbare, Karlaftis, Ebiketie, JJ, who will be available later in the draft. Basically the same point you made about Garrett applies to Edge. We will get one of them, but in my scenario we get KT, which is why I like KT/Wilson a lot more than JJ/Hamilton.
The clown who was on w/Caporoso said he thinks we can swap Becton for Metcalf. I also wouldn’t mind getting La’el Collins either, saw that report earlier this week
I don’t agree with that at all. We drafted our future #1WR last year in the 2nd, we signed our WR2 via FA last year. We just resigned our WR3 in FA this year. We don’t NEED a WR1 who can contribute this year. We could use an upgrade at WR, sure. At WR, ne NEED some depth and developmental pieces (most WRs need 1 to 2 years to develop) which can be found in rds 2 and 3. IDT JD thinks it’s a need and I believe he’s covering all our NEEDS in FA; just waiting for the DE signing to drop.
i'm not high on burks. I agree with you there. I really would rather take a WR in the 2nd though. I think the value is way better. I do want KT at 4 if he falls though but if not the only one worthy is hamilton that we could use then we really need an edge at 10 which makes WR at 35. as far as hamilton goes, he really is. like you said there are drop offs. hamilton has HOF potential. if someone said you can have ed reed or hines ward who would you pick? hines ward was a fine receiver, solid guy but he wasn't an elite game changer. hamilton can do that. he doesn't have a weakness and completely changes our defense. I know people play "positional value" but you have to remember the system as well. in our system safeties have higher value then CBs edge is the most important followed by DT. so if you went by positional value it would be KT and jordan davis at 10. which wouldn't bother me either. really just depends. either way though JD has earned enough trust from me that whatever he does i'll be supportive even if I disagree.
not to mention we also added uzomah at TE which is a big upgrade from kroft/RG and we have carter out of the backfield
We need to learn from last year's mistakes, and I believe JD did. That's why you see him finally getting competent tight ends, which was a huge weakness last year. Another huge weakness: WR room. Have you forgotten that Zach was throwing to the guys whom he met at the tunnel on the way to the game for a large chunk of last year. Davis had the worst drop rate in NFL, then got hurt. Moore was hurt a lot too. We absolutely need depth, but also a #1 dependent receiver. We already did what you are suggesting last year and had Davis/Moore as #1 and #2, and it worked out terribly. Time to learn from mistakes and get another top WR plus depth. Looking at WR market, it appears the best value is the draft as WRs are getting enormous contracts this year. At #10 it's a great positional value, great need, and there are some good options there, where Jets can pick probably the best one. Ideally someone who is NFL ready and can contribute a lot this year, like Garrett Wilson or Olave. Maybe Drake London, though I am worried about his durability.
the injuries were the main factor. davis did have a case of the drops but he was far from worst https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232 ty johnson actually had the most drops for us also the "#1 receiver" thing is thrown out so much with no context. what is a number 1 WR in yoru eyes, why does davis not fit the bill? realistically speaking a WR1 would be a top 32 WR in the NFL you really think 32 WRs in the NFL are better then davis? i'd beg to differ. I also think moore has top 15 potential at WR and davis is at best a low end 1 and at worst a high end 2. you don't need an elite top 10 WR to be good. i recently did my top 10 WRs and came up with chase, hopkins, jefferson, diggs, metcalf, hill, adams, kupp, evans, cooks. if i had to add 10 more for top 20 i'd add aj brown, godwin, deebo, theilan, deonte johnson, moore, lamb, locket, mike williams, keenan allen. after that things get really muddy and you can't really tell me 12 more out there are better then davis or what moore can potentially be.
I doubt it. Been a lot of rumors he's falling from a lot of different sources. Daniel Jeremiah is pretty tuned in and he says KT is the 3rd or 4th EDGE for a lot of teams.
Davis doesn't fit the bill, because I watched him play last year and he didn't play well. Drops were a huge problem, then got injured too. Moore after slow start played well, but got injured multiple times, including in training camp. Can both of them get better and stay injury free? I hope so, but last year showed it wasn't anywhere near enough. We need to add another really good WR to that group plus depth. I don't understand how you can say, let's run it back at WR, after we just saw Zach throw to Montgomery and Black and Davis didn't play well when he played. JD literally just did what you suggested last year. We had Moore, we had Berrios, we had Davis. And this plan miserably failed. What it means is that we need other really good WR(s). You can call then WR1 or whatever, but they need to play well. If Moore is injured again, I don't want to see Davis dropping balls as the #1 option for Zach with Berrios as #2. That is if he stays healthy himself. Heck, even Berrios got hurt too, I think on one of the returns. We need several good WRs plus good TEs and shore handed RBs too, not Ty Johnson. JD has to learn from what just happened, and with WR FA frenzy, I am certain we will be getting top talent in the draft with #10. Maybe a slight trade down, but with GB now needing a WR too, maybe it is best just to take the best one on your board at #10.
I really hope so. If he is there and JD and Saleh pick him, that means Saleh is confident he can develop this guy.
the issue I typically see when people make posts like this is they don't watch other Wrs enough and only compare ours to their expectations with no frame of reference. you know who led the NFL in passes dropped? jamaar chase and he was ROTY and a pro bowler and helped his team to the superbowl. but you see the highlights only not the low lights. you know who else dropped more passes then davis keenan allen, deebo samuel, tyreke hill, justin jefferson, jalen waddle, aj brown, stefon diggs. guess you wouldn't want any of them huh? I agree we need to add another WR but because i feel berrios is better as a WR4. i'm fine with davis and moore starting but i'd also like to get an outside guy and have moore in the slot more. I never said run it back at WR, I think we could even draft 2, i'm just saying we don't need one at 10 when we can get one at 35 like christian watson and another at 69 like calvin austin or even with the 4th rounders like a wandale robinson. it's a deep WR class and there are like 10 guys i'd happily take and many will be there at 35 and 38 and some at 69 and a couple in the 4th.
Injuries were definitely the main factor, I agree with that. Having said that, Davis is definitely not a #1. He's been in the league for 5 years and has never had over 1,000 yards receiving or more than 5 TD's in a season. No matter what anyone's definition of a #1 receiver is - that ain't it. To me a #1 is not simply a top 32 WR, I think the term "#1" is a bit of a misnomer. It shouldn't just mean the best receiver on a given team, because some teams have awful WR's and their #1 would be a #3 on a lot of other teams. To me a #1 is a star or borderline star WR, which you basically need in today's game. The playoff teams last year were the: Titans, Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Raiders, Patriots, Steelers, Packers, Bucs, Cowboys, Rams, Cardinals, 49ers, Eagles. Almost all of those teams have at least 1 star WR and a lot of them have multiple ones, especially if you count TE's. The Cardinals completely fell apart after Hopkins went down. Moore is electric but he's not that guy yet. He might be, sure, but we don't know. And even if he is our WR's still probably aren't good enough.
