Give the Jets CS/FO some credit for gods sake! The FAs they've got in are for the best part solid. I like what they've done, added the the aboslute necessary linemen and other 'boring bits'. Come draft day I expect them to draft some exciting prospects, which might not have been possible 2 weeks ago, Fair play to Mangini, Tannenbaum and our glorious owner.
No flip flopping in saying a job well done was well done, and a screwup is a screwup. doesnt mean they should be fired. maybe the guys who confuse getting criticized with thinking they should be fired have a problem with taking criticism in their personal lives. When you screw up at work, and are told you did fine, that doesnt help you improve and avoid making the same mistake again. For example, saying the HC didnt do a bad job making halftime adjustments, when clearly he did not, is intellectually dishonest. But hey, if you want to judge everything while wearing your green goggles, be my guest.
Out of all the articles I have read on ESPN (and a couple other sites I can't remember) that have bashed the Jets moves this year, they have incorrect with the salary numbers the provided as they are usually a couple million too high. I also don't agree with these players being "over the hill"
It's really amazing how quickly you've forgotten just how bad some of these posts got...especially in the weeks after the season. And I'm willing to bet (since I didn't post much then) that you guys loved or at least liked the moves made last offseason until hindsight came into play...meaning you forgot the big picture...which to me is whats bad about your flip flopping. And 4-12 became the big mantra. You can't call your thinking realistic when it goes from "zomg Mangini is kickass" to "zomg Mangini is historically bad and the sky is falling." Thats not realism, it was a reaction based almost 100% on hindsight and half-assed analysis. So...please stop acting like you were quieting a crowd that blindly threw themselves to kiss Tangini's feet. You were hardly the voice of reason you're trying to sound like. And was my self esteem just questioned because I called you a flip flopper? Thats odd.
Whilst TC was on and we'd just aquired T Jones, I was left scratching my head as to why that an already weak O line was just about to become even weaker by failing to sort out the Kendall situation, luckily for us we were stacked with talent on the O line . At the time there were a handfull of posters,(myself included) who questioned what the hell Mangini and Co were doing. Yes TJ is a good RB, getting old but still good. If we knew we had such a poor line, why trade for him at all? Look at what happened with the Revis contract, that was pitifull. Last first rounder to get signed. The whole off-season with draft and FA was a complete joke last year. Unless significant strides are made this season, there will be plenty of unrest swirling around.
I supported the Kendall move and many of the additions last offseason. I had concerns on both lines, however. Mangini/Tannenbaum had, for me, earned the benefit of the doubt, so I was not vocally critical, on the whole. Turns out that doubt was well founded, but again to their credit they have recognised that, pointed it out to people who ask and seem to have learned from it. I like them both and wish them lots of success. That doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. This offseason I like the Faneca, Jenkins and Pace moves. I'm not so hot on Woody and hope we get a rookie RT. I'm not holding my breath, but I will be disappointed if that is not addressed. I'm entirely dissatisfied with the QB situation. I don't want to see Chad in there again, as much as I love him and what he's done in the past. I'm scared he'll win the job and undermine all the other good work. On balance, though, I feel positive and look forward to the draft and the season.
From reading this board and others, it is clear that MANY Jets fans are dissatisfied with some aspect of the team- whether it is the QBs (thats a biggie), the poor evaluation of their OL personnel last year, weak offensive gameplanning, getting outcoached by halftime adjustments, not giving Leon the ball more...I have read a lot of valid and some not so valid criticisms. If everyone agreed all the time, this board would be boring. Lumping all of the criticisms together and calling them whiny, spoiled babies is irrational. If there is one thing Jets fans are not, (due to lack of overall success) it is spoiled, LOL. There is nothing to be spoiled about if you are a Jet fan. If fans were satisified with how things were last season, and have no criticisms or complaints, they must be mental midgets wearing huge green goggles. It is the posters who defend the team against any and all critisims who are the least trustworthy in the long run. Posts like the one you just made are the type of well-adjusted, realistic views that make this board worth reading. Whitewashing the failures and mistakes, like some others like to do, is barf material.
*barf* :sad: Indeed. I believe EM & MT know what they need to do and are learning from their mistakes, that's what bugged me about Herm, he'd repeat the same mistakes over and over again. I think they'll get there - we may not win a Super Bowl, you need luck as well as skill to do that, but we should ultimately be a perennial contender, if Mangini and MT get to execute their plan. I still expect they'll make mistakes, they're new at this even with 2 years behind them, but they'll hopefully admit to and acknowledge them and therefore benefit from the experience. They've shown a willingness to do that, so let's see how they go. Sadly there's a lot of pressure on them to win this year which has influenced them towards a couple of short-cuts in Woody and Faneca (do we go for the younger Bell or Smiley if winning immediately isn't necessary?) but winning is fun, so let's go with it.
The thing people are failing or have failed to realize is that building a perrenial winner is a process. When Tangini first took over, this team was in bad, BAD shape, and we didnt have alot of cap space to work w/. We werent gonna build a winner overnight. Now we got lucky in year 1 w/ an easy schedule and some creative coaching, and it fooled people into thinking we were ready to contend. Our Gm and coach didnt fall into that trap. Sure they made a move for Jones and traded up for both Harris and Revis, but they knew not everything was gonna get fixed in 2 offseasons. We had already spent 2 first rounders on O-linemen, and signed another RT in the prior offseason, and it was seen as more beneficial to allow further cohesion for the Ol than to break the bank again on more personel. Despite what many contend, I wouldnt change how they handled the Kendall situation one bit. He was a declining LG w/ some lingering injury problems, looking for a long term deal and went about it the completely wrong way by causing problems w/ the media and in the lockeroom. Sure maybe he wouldve resulted in 1 or 2 more wins last year....but would you have rather gone 6-10 last year and be stuck w/ an average injury prone guard who whines to the media every chance he gets, or gone 4-12...rid ourselves of the financial and intangible burden, and get the higher draft pick for our future?? The people comparting Kendall to Faneca are simply kidding themselves. Faneca is 10 times the Lineman Kendall is, he's not a whiner, has only missed 2 games in his ENTIRE nfl career and is younger than Kendall. He DESERVED his contract based on several all pro year's, durability, and character. Again, this is all about the LONG TERM. It's a process. We went ahead and made some bigtime moves this offseason. This was obviously the targetted offseason to make big moves by this regime. We shall see if the pieces fit together and what it means long term.
Yes, mistakes were made and will be made. And discussing what mistakes were made is part of the fun of posting. It's the refusal to accept that they made any mistakes at all that I find to be disingenuous. I have not posted that they should be fired. I expect that they will rebound next year from a poor season this past year. When I read posts that call for their immediate firing i ignore them, and dont agree with them either.
Well then we all seem to agree and it's just a matter of the optimistic posts vs. the negative posts. I do agree that I would be incredibly bored here without negative posters though. I just didn't like how many things were made up (last season being "historically bad") and exaggerated over and over again. But hey, that only promoted discussion and really in the end...who am I to get annoyed with other posters anyway?
