You, on the other hand, I don't mind arguing with. That's going to be pretty hard because, as usual, you've put forward little of substance for me to work against. Tell me though, Leon and Cotchery are at their winder homes too (whatever the hell that is); do they suck? And this was a 3-4 defense that was playing quite well (and was hardly terrible all year) until two things happened to derail it: 1. Lowery hit the rookie wall and left the team with no viable option at #2 corner 2. Jenkins began to break down because there was NO ONE to back him up. He's also never been a full-time NT before so his conditioning program may have to change. Now, since you have no problem going ad-hominem, let's hear what you have to contribute to the pro-Spagnuolo side of the argument? He's fiery? That hasn't been a problem for Tony Dungy and it hasn't really helped out Gruden all that much as of late. He has an aggressive approach to football? Wow, he's clearly the only guy in football to think this way. He's a beacon of light amidst a sea of conservative coaches preaching dropback and cover. I should give more when I tithe, I didn't realize the Giants were blessed enough to showcase a talent taking an approach unseen throughout the rest of the NFL. In all seriousness (and now that I have vented my hungover frustrations) a guy like Rex Ryan is just as aggressive and would not require any change of defensive scheme. Ryan has also the ability to keep that defense going well depsite the injuries that have hit that Baltimore secondary. Did you see the Ravens-Dallas game? He covered TO effectively with Frank-freaking-Walker! What else about Spags is so great that makes him the bestest candidate ever? The fact that his players like him? Players will love any coach that gets them wins. The Giants hated Tom Coughlin when they were losing, but those grumbles suddenly vanished when they won games and brought home a ring. The Jets are hardly in a win now mode, but if they switch to a 4-3 and go through all those growing pains then talents they have that are on the older side (Jenkins, Faneca, and Jones) may be on the way out by the time the transition is complete. And no, this does not mean Jenkins cannot playi in a 4-3, but unless he can play linebacker and cover effectively, it won't matter. But you were right about one thing, I was more than happy to tell you this. I'm always happy to tell someone who decides to resort to personal affronts what I think if for no better reason than it gives them something respectable and mature to disagree with. You're welcome, jackass. So, your turn. Show me the error of my ways and help me see the light that clearly is your way of thinking.
^^^ What the hell are you talking about – where am I cheering for Spags? And where once did I say switch from the 3 – 4 to the 4 – 3. What I said was we have a horrible 3 – 4 so that switching isn’t really going to make a difference; I said we are a horrendous 3 – 4 and could just as easily be a horrendous 4 – 3. Check earlier in the thread where I said: No more new gambles. Spags would be a horrible choice (just as I said Mandoofis would be a horrible choice) and will not work out if hired. And I’m sick of the notion that a coach has to scream at players to get them in the game. Tony Dungy is one of the best coaches in the league over the last 10 years and you would have to check his pulse to know he is alive on the sidelines. Why don’t you find a Giants board to play on jackass – you obviously watched little Jets football this year.
This was originally a Get Spags thread, so let me speak my peace on that. Spags is not young, but he was a complete nobody until he took over a tremendously talented defense whose talents, pass rushing, fit in perfectly with the schemes he learned at Philly. So spags has had two good years getting great talent to run the scheme of a great DC from Philly. He may well be the next great coach, but his resume isn't as great as people are saying. He has a better resume then Mandoofis had when he was hired, but I don't see how you can pick Spags over someone like Shanny. It seems like this is mostly a 34 vs 43 thread, lemme say we need new LBers for either scheme. Gholston and BT are not good enough at OLB, Barton in a contract year still wasn't good enough at ILB. So if we stick with the scheme we need new LBers. And if we go to the 4-3 we still need new LBers. At least one new one, maybe two if Pace can't make the switch or if Barton can't resurrect his career in a new scheme.
Well now that you've actually put forth a cogent argument I can counter-argue (instead of just assuming the direction your retardation will take you next), here goes. Oh wait, I don't need to because in my last post I stated the reasons why this 3-4 will improve/could improve with one or two personnel moves and the growth of the team's players. And I'm so glad that you want me to post on a Giants board! I actually already do, but maybe I should take some lessons from you and be a pretentious asshole that supplements knowing nothing about football with a wit so acerbic I'm lucky my laptop isn't dissolving as I type this response to you. I should probably just defer everything I think about football to your obvious expertise. So why don't you demonstrate your ability to follow simple instructions (albeit ones that have to be repeated) and put forth some sort of rationale behind anything involving a 3-4/4-3 switch. Or tell me this, is the point of your posts just to say "the Jets 3-4 is bad?" If so, congratulations. Your posts are filler and, until you say something that showcases a modicum of intelligence and a grasp of the sport of football, I'll let you go on living happily in your fantasy world where the Jets 3-4 never played well this year....cocksmack.
You're right, the biggest detriment to bringing in Spagnuolo would be the defensive switch. The Jets barely have cover LBs for a 3-4, it gets harder to cover for the LBs if you switch to a 4-3.
Dungy just shows up to watch the game.....he's a terrible comparison. I watched the Indy/Ten game last Sunday...and Manning was calling the plays to Sorgi....i'm amazed Dungy has the grapefruits to collect a pay cheque. He's the MayTag repairman.
Plus....i'm all for a switch to the 4-3....Gholston has no business being in a 3-4 alignment, Jenkins is just as dominant as a 4-3 DT, and Spags knows a little something about having a "pass rush". My only concern is that our LB's might not be fast enough....
I wouldn't change an entire defensive scheme for Gholston, that has the potential to end very badly. Spags can get a pass-rush, though I have no idea what kind of offensive system he would implement. If he's of the Andy Reid school of thought, then the complaints about Jones not getting the ball enough now will seem like mere murmurs in comparrison.
You want the easy answer. He does not have half the resume Rex has and I would put the Ravens defense up to the Giants defense any day.
Anyone who wants the 4-3 is just plain CLUELESS, and really knows nothing about our personnel. And if your reason is Gholston, you're just wrong. You dont change systems because one rookie might play better under the 4-3. Teach him the 3-4 or kick him the heck out.
I don't care whether we play 4-3 or 3-4....but I want us to play JETS defense, not New England Defense. Let's be us, for once.
I'm not saying we NEED to switch to a 4-3...i'm just saying it wouldn't be the end of the world if we did....i don't think it would make a huge impact on the roster we have in place currently...it should be a simple transition. If we have to stay with the 3-4...the Jets better hire a coach that knows how to get results using that scheme....I'm tired of watching our D get beat...by teams with losing records (eg the Niners, Seahawks..etc etc).
It actually would be the end of the world if we changed to the 4-3. Our current players would not work in that system, we would waste a year finding that out. Then we would have to almost overhaul our whole defense to make it a good 4-3 defense. By then Shaun Ellis is on his way out and we need to replace maybe the only player that fits in the 4-3 system. Maybe David Harris would work at OLB, but why would we do that?
I think you're overreacting a bit, my friend. We have the personnel to run the 4-3....Jenkins, Ellis, Gholston....all have experience in a 4-3 alignment..but like i mentioned earlier...my only concern is the speed of our LB's. I'm not sure if Harris is fleet-footed enough to play MLB....and everybody knows how slow Eric Barton is. These issues would certainly have to be addressed. I'm not against the 3-4 either....the playcalling needs to be tweaked, and our secondary needs to be tweaked also....it's not a dead horse by any means. But calling a switch to the 4-3 an "end of the world" scenario, is a little much.
1. Ellis = old 2. Gholston already has been struggling to pick up one position, moving him back to DE might seem like an easy idea but the first thing he has to do is forget everything he's been learning for the past year. He's already struggled in grasping one NFL-Caliber defense feeding him another one might just cause his brain to explode out of his ass. Add to that the fact that his only move is still a bull rush which every OT he has come up against this season has been able to stop...easily. How much more is it going to help him if he's doing it out of a three point stance than if he's standing up? Jenkins...sure, I'll give you that one. But going back to your earlier post of the transition being simple without a major impact on the roster, you're clearly not considering all of the pieces. Even if Jenkins, Ellis, and Gholston make the transition. that still leaves the problem of who plays next to him and what to do with Thomas and Pace. They're both too big to play LB in a 4-3, and any situation involving a pulling guard is just going to end with one of these two covering their knees. Moving them back to the D-line isn't exactly an attractive idea considering that Pace was a terrible 4-3 DE and Thomas managed to accomplish the difficult task of being worse than Pace. Bowens was a 4-3 DE but he was mainly considered a "pass-rushing specialist"(read: useless in the running game) so he's just a roster spot waiting to be freed. Moving back to the LB corps, Barton is the only one with any significant 4-3 experience and he's nearing the end of his career. Not to mention his mental mistakes make him less than ideal as a leader on this team. Harris ran a 4.59 40 and watching him play doesn't inspire two much confidence in him playing sideline-to-sideline. He might fill the SLB spot but his inexperience likely dictates growing pains. So now where in the market for a DT, someone to start ahead of Gholston until he gets his brains unscrambled, and someone to play MLB. Tell me that isn't a huge impact.
"Harris ran a 4.59 40 and watching him play doesn't inspire two much confidence in him playing sideline-to-sideline. He might fill the SLB spot but his inexperience likely dictates growing pains" In his rookie year DH was a sideline to sideline player. I don't know what happened since then.
