A couple of things about some of the posts. When Tom Brandy has time he throws for 300+ yards and 4 TDs – even with mediocre WRs. When Sanchez has time he…might make a play sometimes??? That was the gist of his first two years with a solid pass protection. When David Carr was sacked 72 times in his rookie season he also threw for 2600 yards and completed 52.5% of his passes. He had 12 TDs (9 passing – 3 rushing) against 15 INTs. Compare that with Sanchez’s rookie year when had the practically the best offense in the league around him. One QB had amazing pass protection and one QB had zero pass protection yet their rookie stats are almost the same. Could Sanchez have survived the 2002 Texans? Would he still even be in the league? The point is Sanchez is no Tom Brady or even David Carr. And the reality is this goes beyond talent. Mark has shown he is not a leader. It’s just not in his DNA. He is not a warrior. Sometimes I question how much of a competitor he is. Look in his eyes during the games. He doesn’t look like he even cares who wins. It really feels like he is here for a paycheck and to be a star more than he is here to win games. I cant believe going into his 4th year there are still so many apologists for this guy. Congrats to Wayne Hunter for proving there is a less worthless player on the offense then Sanchez. That will keep the apologists busy for a while. Sanchez wasn’t the answer when we had a great team. He isn’t the answer now. And he won’t be the answer if we ever have a great team again. He is painfully below average for an NFL QB in his fourth season. The only real value he has to us is trade bait...before he ruins that value during this season. Nobody is going to trade for a scared QB.
Wayne Hunter is going to provide yet another built in excuse to keep Sanchez for yet another year. He is just not good. And it is sad because he has all the tools to be a good QB except the one you can't teach which is heart.
I get that people are defensive of Sanchez due to the Tebow acquisition, but how do we continue to bury our heads in the sand? The offense doesn't function with this guy. The goal is to score. Through two preseason games, our first team offense has scored a grand total of 0 points, while giving away 7. You can't seriously believe that with a new RT, all would be right in Jets world. Dunno how many of you guys played sports, but if you have, you've all played with a guy like Sanchez. All the talent in the world, and 80% of the time, he looks great. But his 20% is so bad that it erases any good. He doesn't have "it". Wish we could combine him and Tebow, because Tebow is the exact opposite. No talent, looks awful 80% of the time, but his 20% usually drags him out. He has miles of "it". Unfortunately neither is a franchise QB. We'd probably be better off this season letting Tebow run for his life, drain clock, and occasionally create offense out of nothing.
You know what would be utterly hilarious. The coaches are having Wayne Hunter tank on purpose right now to make upcoming opponents (ie Buffalo), think he is a weakness. They will try to exploit and get owned. That would be genius! A guy can dream, can't he?
"Von Miller with the spin move!!" No that wasn't a spin move, it was Hunter being bad. Ferguson was about to let his man in as well.
So Sanchez sucks and you hate the idea of keeping him another year.. fine. and what you propose then? Don't say "Tebow" because (1) TT is not better than Sanchez and (2) your "yet another" remark means you wanted to get rid of him before Tebow got into the picture. So what is that you want to do then? Draft another QB and develop him? And4 years after you're gonna bitch about "yet another year" yet another time? But wait, you can't implement this brilliant strategy until next draft! Very convenient.
So another circumstance on offense where instead of moving our scheme to fit our players, we decided to fit our players to a scheme?
Agreed! Its sickening how many excuses and fall guys the Sanchez supporters use to cover their hero's butt! He gets paid to win!
The Jets definitely try to fit their players to whatever scheme they want to run at the moment. I'm not saying that you shouldn't do that but doesn't it make sense to stop trying to run cock-a-mamie schemes if you're going to insist that your players fit them to the letter? Because it's really hard to find players to run a cock-a-mamie scheme. They didn't do cock-a-mamie in college most of the time. Unless they were on my high school team they probably didn't try to do cock-a-mamie there either. Most importantly, if you're going to try to run a cock-a-mamie scheme at least be consistent with it. Switching back and forth between mutiple cock-a-mamie schemes is like a guaranteed way to make your players look bad, because although it is vaguely possible that you actually foind some players who fit your cock-a-mamie scheme it's almost certain they don't fit the polar opposite cock-a-mamie scheme you are switching too. A real NFL GM would tell Rex to STFU about Ground and Pound and go run a real offense that scores some points. That GM would tell Rex to STFU about how G&P is best with his defense because the point of running an offense is to score points not to make the defense look good. The Jets don't have a real GM so that conversation would never happen.
I'll hold off judging this Jets offense of G&P until the regular season stars. I am worried based off the preseason, but I think it's too quick to call it. We really don't have players to fit any scheme, so we need to be really balanced and keep people off guard. We have the potential to run the ball effectively and throw it deep, we don't have the players to do it consistently and at will so we need to mix it up and keep teams off balance. I was thinking more of Schotty when I said fitting players to scheme. It felt like we never maximized the talent we had on offense like we do with players on defense.
“If we get improved quarterback play with our defense, I think we have a chance to have a really, really special season and accomplish a lot of goals.” he said. “Obviously, we have to go out there and prove it. It starts with Rex and I, and we’re really excited about this team doing what we think it can accomplish.”
Ouch, ouch, ouch, you're hurting me here. Tom Brady didn't throw for 300+ yards and 4 TD's much in his first three seasons. He had 6 games from 2001-2003 where he threw for 300+ yards. He had 3 where he threw for 4 TD's. Sanchez in his first 3 seasons has 5 games with 300+ yards. Just 1 with 4 TD's but I don't think anybody would confuse the Jets offensive talent and schemes with what the Pats were doing from 2001-2003. Ouch, ouch, ouch. In 2009 there were easily a half dozen offenses with better personnel than the Jets. Are you forgetting that the opening day WR's for the Jets were Cotchery, Stuckey and Brad Smith? I'm actually thinking the Jets overall personnel on offense was more like 10th or 12th and that only because they had such a strong offensive line. Skill players mean something. When you don't have really good ones it is hard for the QB to look good.
The apologists always fall back on the lack of talent around Mark instead of HIS OWN lack of talent. I didn't say his first three seasons but since you want to focus on Brady’s first 3 seasons here is the difference. Brady played like a star QB his first 3 seasons. Funny how we only throw out lack of quality WR’s when it’s Sanchez. Brady’s starting wideouts his first 3 years were Dion Branch, Troy Brown, Bert Emanual, Terry Glenn, David Givens and Fred Coleman. You ever see these guys become stars outside of NE? Didn’t seem to stop Brady who won two Superbowl’s with them and made the probowl twice with them. Their running game was also worse than Marks his first 3 seasons. Do you really think Marks first three years compare to Brady's? Are you really trying to suggest Mark is in Brady’s league skill wise? DO you think Brady had more talent around him the first three years then Mark did in their first three years? Maybe he had better coaching but that’s about it. As for the David Carr/Texans thing – if Sanchez was drafted into that situation he would likely not have scored many points, been benched in week 3 and out of the league in 2 years. He is a big wimp who needs everyone around him to play above average so he can achieve the level of average.
It's not going to get any better this year because he already has a built in excuse of the O-Line and lack of WR talent. The Jets traded up for him at what point does he have to take the responsibility for making the people around him better.
