we pay him 6 mil no matter what so even if we pay him an additional 2 mil it means he costs us 2 mil. you can't even get a 4th CB for 2 mil these days. that's insanely cheap. IDK why people can't get that. Not to mention we could be far worse off then revis. I mean do you want to start 2017 with williams, skrine, and burris as our starting 3 CBs?
Revis not worth an extra 2 dollars. In fact, I would rather pay him the $ 8 million to leave then the $ 6 to stay. There are much better options available for us then Rikers island. You keep asking why I don't get your idea that he is a good option at Corner for $2 million. He is supposed to be moving to safety in 2017 so your argument for corner really holds no merit. As for him playing safety, he is slow, lacks athleticism, and shys from contact. Not ideal traits for the position. The deepest position in this draft class is Defensive backs. There are players who can be had in round 2 , possibly later who will be better than what we would get from Revis. Revis was an amazing player. That's the past. Before anyone jumps in and asks do I really think that there is a third round corner who will be a hall of fame player, best corner for 5 years like Revis.... Probably not, however they will be much better than Revis of today , which isn't saying much.
wow what a great point. i can't believe this forum would ever survive without your insights I get that people want him gone. he performed like shit. he held the team hostage several times. i get it. But as a GM you can't let business get personal. it's that simple. nobody has made a good argument on why we shouldn't keep revis if it only cost us 0-2million. I get if he doesn't take a paycut to cut him. I do get that. we still save about 9-10 mil on the cap by doing that. What i don't get is why people would want him gone if he costs us literally nothing? so mcdougle, kyle williams, and milliner were all better? Putting our hopes on a rookie playing well (when lets face it, how often has a jets rookie played well) isn't the smartest idea. unless we go full rebuilding stage. blow it all up. cut everyone old, let young kids player and get ready to load up in free agency for 2018. Mac has made it clear that we are not rebuilding, we are competing/retooling. By your theory why don't we just cut wilkerson? he played like garbage this season after cashing in on a 17 million dollar a year deal. both richardson in his limited time and williams outplayed him.
I want him gone because he is not putting forth the effort of a player who will be making $15,333,333. There is no effort, he runs away from contact, he doesn't have the speed to keep up with receivers, he gave up like 4-5, 100 yard halves to receivers because he gives them a 10 yard cushion, he can't jam receivers on the LOS because they will blow by him like the old man that he is. He is the 2nd weakest part of that defense right now, safety being first. A CB that is making that type of money has to be better than what Revis gave to the jets last year. I don't know how else you need it to be said. If you ran a company would you give top dollar to a non productive employee? Or would you give him his severance pay and cut ties with him and hire someone younger who is willing to prove themselves and work hard to make a name for themselves?
I'll only respond to your portion directed towards me. Your right, a GM must not let business become personal. Revis has zero value at this point in his career. He is going to collect $6 million as it is based on past performance. No reason to give him a penny more. Especially not $2 million more. McDougle, Millner and Williams all sucked as does Revis of today. They would all be equal to what we got out of Revis last year. Putting my hopes in a rookie to play well gives me a 50/50 chance of success. Revis gives me zero chance. I'll take the odds on a rookie. Mac has not, in any way indicated if we are rebuilding or retooling. I understand your view, but I don't understand why you insist on posting blatant lies to make your argument. Earlier you claimed we should resign Revis because we offered a corner a contract who has drug issues and suspensions. Untrue, now Mac has made it clear we are not rebuilding, again, not true. By my theory we are stuck with Mo for at least one more year due to his contract. We tried to shop him last off season but didn't get the value wanted. He is young, and has years of potentially good football ahead. A tremendous upside. This is not Revis, in his first holdout were talking about. This is the shell of that player.
That would depend , do I currently own a replica of that employees Jersey? It's the only argument I can see to keep Revis. It's a useless argument. Much like the real Bowles, he loves his veteran corner regardless of his performance
except he isn't costing us 15.3 million. I did agree he isn't worth the money but no matter what he does cost us 6mil. nothing changes that. so if we can get him to take a cut to 6 mil he literally cost us nothing. matter of fact it saves us money so even if he's our 5th CB who barely plays it's cheaper to keep him. If i had a non productive employee and it cost me the same to fire him as it would to keep him, I'd still keep him. even if he did 1 good thing all year it was more then i would have gotten then by firing him at no extra cost. Now if he refuses to take a paycut then I'd agree with you. I think we all agree he isn't worth keeping at 15.3 mil for 2017. even revis knows this and has acknowledged it.
I do agree with you but again as i said if he takes a cut to 6 mil then he costs us literally nothing to keep on the roster. So if we aren't going to pay him a penny more why cut him?
So he does not cost the jets $15.3 but he isn't worth keeping at $15.3 and you wouldn't cut him because he is a scrub, but you would cut him if he didn't take a pay cut? Am I reading this correctly?
i said there were 2 options 1) we cut him, he cost us 6 mil and we need to find a replacement 2) he takes a pay cut, he costs us 6 mil and we don't need a replacement I opt for 2 personally any any GM would agree with me
A Jets GM might agree with you, but there are plenty of others who would cut bait and accept the cap hit and move on from an old unproductive player.
Actually you said " we pay him 6 mil no matter what so even if we pay him an additional 2 mil it means he costs us 2 mil. you can't even get a 4th CB for 2 mil these days. that's insanely cheap." You wanted to actually pay him an additional $2 million. And no , personally , I don't want him even for the $ 6 million dead money. I get your point that we have to pay him $6 million either way. You don't get the point that we recoup whatever another team decides to pay him. Your insistent logic is he has value. At minimum $2 million. As a FA he could actually earn even more so we would save that money and only be paying him at most $2 million, if not less. You can get a 4th Corner for much less and a 5th the corner for less . Your words "so even if he's our 5th CB who barely plays it's cheaper to keep him. " Your not taking into account the distraction his court case will likely bring , or how his poor effort , me first, bad attitude sets the wrong example for a young roster. He's like a third world hooker, you don't pay her for the sex, YOU PAY HER TO LEAVE !!! It's time for Revis to get the fuck out , and I hope the door hits him (hard) on his way out.
If we let Revis go he'll either retire and cost us $6M against the 2017 cap or he'll sign somewhere and cost us no more than $5.31M against the cap. Vet minimum is $690k and that will be money we don't have to pay and that gets reimbursed on the cap. If he signs somewhere for $7M the Jets will owe him nothing for the year and his cap hit will be zero.
