Some positive news and some not so positive news

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  1. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    54% of our runs against Buffalo were for 4 or more yards. (TJ and Leon Only)

    Total:
    37 runs
    17 for 3 yards or less
    15 for 4-9 yards
    1 for 10-20 yards
    4 for 20+ yards
     
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    I'd say Sanchez's confidence is likely a factor in that. It takes a whole lot of confidence to run an effective play fake, as it takes the QB's eyes off the action for 1 - 2 seconds, especially when run as effectively as Pennington did.

    Sanchez has been rather frenetic back there. I'm not sure he could be effective on a regular basis with the PA right now.
     
  3. IATA

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    Oh, I thought I was in the BS section for a second here.
     
  4. Jake

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    I think it's very discouraging. The defense has been good outside of one game, the running game has been there, he has weapons. Time for the kid to put up. I realize he's a rookie though, and expect bumps in the road, just not consistent bumps in the road.
     
  5. The Dark Knight

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    The Jets are 2nd in the league in rushing? Wow. I feel we aren't running enough and its not working enough. I guess I ask for too much.
     
  6. Carpetbagger

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    You have to be kidding me right? He has had 2 bad games and the other four he has played well. They are not consistent bumps. He had a rookie game. Quite simple. You're acting like he hasn't played well at all this year.
     
  7. The Jutty

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    Yeah running game was solid against Buffalo I don't know why we didn't force them to stop us on the ground.
     
  8. tbruner12

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    i have noticed it, and here is a different problem with sanchez that will surely piss off the sanchez lovers.... have you ever noticed the wide base that sanchez utilizes when throwing for any distance beyond 10-15 yards? he looks like he is about 5 foot 6, which can lead to a lot of batted passes if he ever truly becomes a pocket passer only.
     
  9. bigmehl

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    We'll if you just look a little further into those stats - they did. 46% of our runs went for under 4 yards.
     
  10. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    Putting down 300+ against the Bills really shot us up, after all it's only 6 games in and for some only 5 games.

    Things will come together, I still have faith.



    Praise be to Revis!
     
  11. matt robinson 17

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    30th ranked pass offense...
     
  12. KSJets

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    Just to add to this, I was bored and went through the play-by-play and here are all of the rushes for the entire team:

    TJ 2
    LW 13
    TJ 8
    TJ -3
    TJ 2
    TJ 2
    LW 25
    LW 1
    TJ 64
    LW 4
    LW 2
    LW 2
    MS 6
    TJ 71
    TJ 4
    LW 2
    LW -3
    TJ 4
    LW 6

    1st Half Totals:
    19 carries/212 yards
    TJ 9/154
    LW 9/52
    MS 1/6

    TJ -1
    LW 5
    TJ 5
    TJ 3
    TJ 7
    TJ 9
    SG 0
    TJ 8
    TJ -1
    TR 3
    TJ 2
    TJ 7
    TJ 9
    LW 2
    TJ 1
    LW 33
    LW 5
    LW 0
    TJ 2
    LW 2
    TJ 5

    2nd Half/OT Totals:
    21 carries/106
    TJ 13/56
    LW 6/47
    SG 1/0
    TR 1/3

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    Game Totals:
    40 carries 318 yards
    TJ 22/210
    LW 15/99
    SG 1/0
    TR 1/3
    MS 1/6

    4/193 (TJ & LW's top 2 rushes each)
    36/125 (3.5ypc on everything else)

    I know you can't really play the "take those long runs away" game, but the running game really was average if you take out those four really long runs.
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    Yeah, it seems like it's feast or famine with the running game.
     
  14. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Big runs are part of the game. Everyone always wants to "take them away" to show how ineffective the run game was. We got 4+ yards on 54% of the carries. When you keep running the ball you're bound to pop 1 or 2 for long gains. Long gains are a good thing last I checked.

    If you want to take away the top 4 rushes, let's take away the bottom 4 too.
    32/132 - 4.125/carry

    The Jets were running ball very effectively against the Bills.
     
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  15. bigmehl

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    And we had less than 4 yards on 46% of the carries ( 17 to be specific) . Now start stacking up some of those < 4 yard carries and we could have been facing 3 and outs and 3rd and longs . We still needed to pass the ball - its just unfortunate teh execution was lacking.
     
  16. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Obviously you still have to pass the ball. 3 and out is better than 1, 2 or 3 and INT.

    Go ahead and take those 17 3 or less carries and stack them into 5 drives of 3 and out. 5 3 and out's is better than 5 INT's when the only one of those 5 INT's was on 4th down. Unless of course you're a fan of punting prior to 4th down.

    Now take the rest of the carries and stack them together. Tell me what you end up with.

    We passed too much with a rookie QB in shitty conditions when he was obviously having a shitty game and we were running the ball well. The execution was bad too in the passing game.

    It seems as if you're saying poor execution and bad play selection have to be mutually exclusive. They aren't and weren't.
     
  17. bigmehl

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    Ok I'll play along, going by the assumption the 5 picks were replaced by 5 3 and outs . 4 of the 5 picks were thrown downfield and resulted in the Bills getting the ball inside their own 40. Only one pick resulted in giving the Bills a short field and that was the 2nd which ended up on the Jets 43.

    Given the fact that it was a windy day and 4 of the picks were thrown into the wind. I 'd argue the chance for at least one bad punt out of 5 was pretty high. Its a definite possibillity that we may have gotten more yardage from the Int's then we did from a punt.

    But if you'd rather pin your hopes on a punter and depend on your defense to hold the fort thats fine. Personallly, I'd rather be agressive and go for the throat, I've seen too many 3rd/4th quarter leads wiped away by playing tenatively.

    Is there a happy medium between the two sides we've been arguing all week - probably. But it comes down to a question of what is our teams identity going to be . Some feel Rex wants to play ball control ( read running game trying to limit mistakes)on offense. Others like myself want and have heard Rex say that we'll be agressive on both sides of the ball.

    Personally , I'll take the agressive approach any day of the week. Its the way that teams like the Pats, Colts , Giants and others pile on a team when they have them down, they don't go fetal and hope their D's can preserve 10 point 2nd half leads. They win by turning those 10 point leads into 20 point leads. Sometimes they'll misfire and give their opponent a chance to stay in the game. Pulling those close games out is a quality that puts those teams on the top - the Jets aren't there yet but by taking on this mentality they're further along then playing it safe.
     
  18. guinness77

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    He's had 2 horrid games which skews things a bit. How this has gone unmentioned, I really don't know. We were supposed to be a running team from Day 1 of training camp, so how this stat surprises anyone is also beyond my realm of thought.
     

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