That's exactly how I would have answered, only I would go for a better Tight End than those two for one reason. We need some kind of offensive playmaker. It doesn't look like we are going to invest anything in the Running Back position and the Wide Receivers in this draft are piss poor. So why not get one of the better Tight Ends? I'm not saying it has to be Vernon Davis, we could maybe steal Pope at the end of round 1 or Lewis or Byrd in round 2.
You make an excellent point here Rambo. Usually I'm not infavor of taking the TE really early since there are some damn good WR's there (ie Roy Williams, Lee Evans, and Michael Clayton went after Winslow in 2004). This year however, the WR crop is so weak that a TE such as Davis IMO is a better receiver than any of the WR's in the draft. I also like the idea of Pope if he can be had.
Well Rambo, just as you and me agreed, 30-35 is a hot spot to be... So #29 is just fine in my book. :beer: Now who to take? I am hoping that Tannenbaum can bring in the RT Jon Runyan from Philadelphia, which would really fill a huge need. We DID bring in Tim Dwight so that may lower the need for WR until the 6th or 7th round. I'm thinking Nick Mangold is a no-brainer at #29... Let's get some educated opinions on this...
I'll give top 5 (realistic picks) for our two first round picks: #04 - D. Ferguson, M. Williams, V. Davis, A. Hawk, D. Williams #29 - L. Maroney, M. Lawson, N. Mangold, E. Winston, G. Watson Those are roughly in order from my favorite to least favorite, but I say roughly because they basically change daily. :smile: Seriously though when I saw we weren't getting the #31 we were getting the #29 I yelled out loud, with joy of course :up:
I doubt it would be with #29 or #35, but considering Runyan's age, I wouldn't be surprised if they still took a OT pretty early. For what its worth the Eagles took Shawn Andrews early and moved him to guard before the need at OT opened up for him. Ryan O'Callaghan seems to fit that Andrews type of profile and has experience at OG. I also wouldn't doubt the Jets going CB if they fail to land Dyson. The fact that they brought in Dyson for an interview makes me believe that they are not satisfied with the current CB group. Could Antonio Cromartie or Ashton Youboty be an option here? Manny Lawson if there would also give the Jets the type of speed rusher they desperately need.
Hey guys i'm a draftnik like the rest of you and I figured i would add my 2 cents. 1. I agree with what a lot of you are saying. Except I think D'Brickashaw at 4 would be the best choice for the Jets. I want that Walter Jones type of player at LT for us. 2. at 29 I see us going Mangold which i don't believe would be there in the early second. I mean if it comes down to Lawson Watson or Mangold I still think we go Mangold. 3 A third round guy I would draft if he is there is Victor Adeyanju DE out of Indiana. A great pass rusher with the ability to sack the quarterback. Tremendous athletic ability and a an excelent tackler. My fellow draftniks what do you think of him for the Jets in round 3, or my comments in general. :jets:
Some more thoughts courtesy of Rambo: Linebackers the Jets should look at Lots of people on the board have been clamoring for Hawk because we are going to the 3-4. In my opinion that would be a horrible draft pick for us because we are going to the 3-4. If we stuck with the 4-3, maybe he could replace Hobson or Barton on the outside but not in the 3-4 and here's why. Hawk would not play OLB in the 3-4. He was in the middle at Ohio State if I remember correctly and is projected as an OLB in the NFL. However, in our scheme we need someone who is more of a definate pass rusher. Someone who has come off the edge and can get to the QB. Hawk has proved to be an insane tackler and a ball hawk, but I don't think he showed he could be a premier pass rusher in the 3-4 (think Willie McGinest, Joey Porter, Terrell Suggs). Furthermore, I think Hobson will move inside. When he came out he was projected as an ILB/SLB tweener. Someone who could bounce between the two positions. I think he will move inside with Vilma and compliment him. Hobson is slightly shorter but is thicker and stronger. I think Vilma will be running around everywhere and if he gets blocked Hobson can come in and blow the play up. I think Barton will stay on the outside as he can get to the QB better than the rest of our LBs and can cover the TE better as well. ======= Now to my draft points. We don't want to get Hawk, he doesn't seem to fit. Therefore, I present 3 LBs who we should look at instead because we definately need more LBs if we are going to put 4 out on the field at a time. {1} Manny Lawson - I think it is clear that he is the best 3-4 OLB pass rusher in the draft. I think he can be a DeMarcus Ware/Terrell Suggs type player for us. Someone who dominated at DE but can make a quick switch to the outside and get us 10 sacks a year. He would need to be picked at #29 or else I think he could go to someone like the Steelers at #32. {2} D'Qwell Jackson - The best Middle Linebacker in the draft and, in my opinion, the second best linebacker in the draft. If we want someone to pair with Vilma in the middle we should look at Jackson. He played the 3-4 at Maryland and was a ridiculous tackler. I think he led the league in tackles in fact. He is all over the field and can play the middle. He would provide us with a solid interior for many years and would give us a player who can definately play the inside instead of a projection like Hobson. {3} Jon Alston - I just like him because he has insane measurables and will be available on the second day of the draft. He would play the outside and rush the passer. {x} Terna Nande - I'm not really advocating us drafting him, but he is the Vernon Davis of the LB position. He lifts unbelievable weights and is pretty fast. Might be like a Shawne Merriman player and worth a look on the second day.
It seems as if Mario Williams will be the pick at #4 unless we trade down, which would be great. To me, #4- Mario Williams DE #29- Nick Mangold C #35 is a very tough choice. I doubt that Manny Lawson will be around here and neither will Kamerion Wimbley. The problem with O'Callaghan is his health. CB shouldn't be adressed this early. I could see a Guard such as Max-Jean Gilles or Davin Joseph being taken here. But to make myself clear, a speed rushing OLB is the ideal selection here... Thoughts?
I agree with what you said about Lawson/Wimbley. For that reason if either are there at #29 I think I take them at #29 over Mangold. Even if Mangold doesn't make it to 35, you have Joseph, Jean Giles, and O'Callaghan (played guard a lot in college) who can fill in at guard and move Kendall to center. Also with the contract Kendall got/Brandon Moore I doubt they take a guard at #35 if Mangold is takent at #29.
I disagree, I doubt both are gone at #35 but one certainly will be. I don't think anyone who isn't running a 3-4 will draft them, so I think one may go to the Steelers if we take Mangold at #29 but other than that...Seahawks? No. Colts? No. Texans? Maybe, but I see them getting their OT here. Saints? If they don't take Mario at #2, they aren't going to take a DE here.
I really see no reason that Wimbley would be taken before pick #35. He is a guy who's, flat out, a 34 OLB. I understand that he has the frame to add some weight, and does play well enough in space due to his athleticism, but going full time either way is not best for him. He's like Manny Lawson in that way, but Lawson I think will have a lot higher value from NFL teams because of the way he worked out; also, which is huge, he played Linebacker at NC State before settling in at DE where his pass rushing abilities could really be utilized. Showing he has that kind of speed, mixed with his production at NCSU, I think honestly Lawson will go #12 to Cleveland, at worst a few picks later on. As for Wimbley, I think he'll fit in somewhere mid Rd 2 unless a team like the Jets early in the round takes him because he fits the system better than any other option. In the last mock I did he didn't go to #52 and New England, really a great fit for him.
There are enough teams running a 3-4 that if Lawson went that early I kind of doubt that Wimbley falls to #35, not impossible. New England I could especially see going after him at #21 or San Fran trading up (do have extra picks from the Brandon Lloyd trade).
Just because the option of taking him is there doesn't mean that they would, he just doesn't represent value at that point. They could just as easily take Bobby Carpenter at #21, who also projects very well as a 34 OLB (not sure why people have been questioning him lately here) and would require much less work than Wimbley. Looking at the rest of the round, the next 34 team you have is Pittsburgh at #32, and they're more than set with Porter, Haggans, and Harrison. At the top of Rd 2 you have the Texans, abandoning the 34, and the Saints, need a real LB.
Exactly my point :up:. If you think Wimbley and Lawson are there at #29... then at least one will be there at #35, guaranteed.
This is intresting now. Monquisato (sp?) Pope was signed probably to play DE in the 3-4. Kimo Von Olhoffen was also signed for a 3-4 DE. Does the FO still look at Mario Williams? #4-Mario Williams DE #29- Manny Lawson/Kamerion Wimbley/Bobby Carpenter OLB #35- Nick Mangold C #70- Jeremy Trueblood OT #29 and #35 are interchangeable based on who is available when Tannenbaum is on the clock at #29. Thoughts anyone?
Most sites will never do it, takes too much time and gets too confusing, and we don't do it at draftdaddy either, but there should be two sets of Grades for a number of front seven prospects One set of Grades should be for the 43, and the other set of Grades should be for the 34 That would be a much better reflection of the truth, because the Grades for many of these front seven cats will vary dramatically from team to team, depending upon which front they have in mind, the 43 or the 34 A cat like Lawson, for example, can easily carry a TOP 15 Grade on a 34 teams board, while his Grade would not even approach the TOP 15 area for a team that plays a 43 Ditto Wimbley ... he doesn't have Lawson's freakish 4.4. Speed for a 240+ Pounder, but he's 6' 4"/250+ and runs a 4.6, and that's VERY GOOD in it's own right ... so he can easily be a TOP 20-25 Guy on any number of 34 boards, while his Grade would NOT be that high on a 43 board Point being, the Grades are pretty much "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" for most prospects, but you can toss that rule with a number of the front seven Guys ... and that also applies to the Pure DE's and DT's, not just the DE/OLB tweeners ... in the 34 you are looking for specific types of linemen as well, and some Guys may carry a High Grade on a 43 board but a Low Grade on a 34 board That may be true of the pure linebackers as well, inside and out, but it would be to a lesser degree than the DE/OLB tweeners and the Pure DE's/DT's, so it really wouldn't be worth the trouble of creating two sets of Grades Anyhow, the bottom line is this ... IMO it's a bit misleading to look at the consensus Grades for a number of front seven prospects and believe those Grades apply across the board, because they don't ... and this is something I believe we will address next year at draftdaddy, I will bring it up, because more teams are going to the 34 {there might be as many as eight or more in total this year}, so it's time for some site to break the mold and start Grading these front seven prospects the way they're supposed to be Graded, might as well be us :wink:
As for the Jets... I highly doubt that Mangini will take any players with poor attitudes or off-field problems since he came from a great organization like New England. For example, after Lendale White's performance at his Pro Day, I really think he could have fallen off his draft board. This guy supposedly had a bad attitude/interview and I'm sure Mangini won't go for a player with a "loser's" mentality. I say this because a lot of people on this site have us taking him with the #29 in their mocks and I would be shocked if he was picked. I'm sure he probably goes for hard working overachievers who use their abilities to the greatest extent and have good attitudes. This is one of the reasons John Abraham and Ty Law are no longer Jets. I bet WR Mike Haas from Oregon is on his draft board. This is just because of the type of player he is. He's was a very productive overachiever in college and was a team leader. What this team really needs are players with a winning mentality and good morale. I really think this is becoming undervalued in the NFL these days and that if Tannenbaum could bring in more players like this, this team would really be moving north.
It's really hard to project the Jets picks I'm finding out. These are some of the problems I encounter. - Adrian Jones definatley has the potential to be a very solid starter at Left Tackle in the NFL. My question is, why is there still a lot of talk about D'Brickshaw Ferguson? Sure he's probably a great player, but Left Tackle should no longer be a need. The only body there is at RT is Marko Cavka. - Which position will Pete Kendal play? If it is Left Guard, which I feel he is more suited to play, than Nick Mangold should be a lock to be picked at #29 or #35. If he plays C, which he seemed to struggle at at times, than Davin Joseph of Oklahoma or Taitusi Lutui OG from USC should be the pick. - Why the talk of a RB in the 1st/2nd round? Curtis Martin may be in the twilight of his career, but Cedric Houston looked very explosive and powerful in his 3 or 4 games starting last season despite playing behind the shackles that was our Offensive Line. Derrick Blaylock doesn't get a chance from many people on this board (I guess I'm one of them), but he is very explosive and should help out this year. If a RB is chosen, than it should be a speedy guy such as Maurice Drew UCLA no earlier than at #97. That's all for now. Let's resurect this thread!
1. Yes Adrian Jones has the potential to be a solid LT, but D'Brick has the potential to be an elite LT. Also a big reason is that at this point there seems to be a pretty clear top 4 in this draft (Bush, Ferguson, Leinart, and M. Williams). I think a lot of the talk is based on who experts feel will fall to #4. 2. I agree that Kendall is best off at LG, however his ability to play C definately gives the Jets a lot of options. For that reason I'd take a speed rusher for OLB (Lawson, Wimbley, Carpenter) before Mangold. If Mangold didn't make it to #35, I'd be more than content with Jean-Giles or Joseph at guard and developmental C to be Kendall's successor. 3. Considering the depth the Jets have at RB, I have a feeling that if they don't use #29 or #35 on a RB, they won't use one at all on the position. After the top 5 RB's, I don't think any of them are any better of prospects than Cedric is. I think any chance of Drew went out the window with the signing of Tim Dwight. Blaylock has the speedy back role and Dwight/Miller have the return game set.
Yeah we don't "need" to draft a running back, but if Maroney is there at #29 I would be hard pressed to pass over him
