Soccer... Premier League, La Liga, Champions League and more

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  1. MoWilkBeast

    MoWilkBeast Well-Known Member

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    @Wahoo you were talking about revenue sharing in soccer in the game thread.

    First, teams keep all revenue from their home league games, their own sponsorships and merchandising deals. Most also have local radio deals which is small potatoes and some have their own subscription TV channels. All this is 100% the club's, unlike the NFL. Cup games are treated a bit differently, but I'll ignore that.

    Historically, revenues for league-wide sponsors and broadcasting were split 50% for the top tier, 25% for the second and 12.5% each for the third and fourth. With the creation of the Premier League in '92 this stopped and the PL kept all its own revenues to split between its member clubs and the remaining Football League clubs had their own, much smaller, deals and distributed that revenue in similar way to before. It's also worth noting that within the PL these revenues aren't split evenly. It's basically a prize money system so the higher you finish the more you get, with the exception of international broadcasting money (that's distributed evenly to each PL club). Each team playing in a live broadcast game also gets paid for that game, the home team gets a bigger share.

    In 2006 the PL agreed to give some of its UK revenue to the FL. First, relegated teams get parachute payments for three years (ostensibly to help paying off contracts that are not now affordable). This diminishes each year but is significantly more than their share of the FL's own revenue - this year's parachute payments for newly relegated teams are something like £40 million. Each Championship club that doesn't get parachute payments now gets 30% of the amount given to a club that does get parachute payments in the third year - about £5 million. Tiers 3 and 4 get a lot less than 30%. I think a tier 3, League 1, team gets £0.7 million this year.

    It's complicated but the lower 3 divisions get a lot less than they used to. And revenue distribution within the PL is a lot less even than it is in the NFL where league-wide revenues are shared evenly. On top of this in order to get any money from the PL the FL had to give up a lot of rights over young players and agree to a system where the PL clubs can poach Academy level kids for a nominal payment. Many lower league clubs survived on developing young players and selling them on. This is now much harder to do and a number of clubs have dispensed with Academies entirely because it is just no longer worth it. So they gained on one hand but lost a big revenue stream on another.

    You were right in saying that below tier 4, there is no revenue sharing outside of 2 years of parachute payments for clubs demoted from tier 4. This was always seen as semi-pro or amateur level (although many tier 5 and some tier 6 teams are now full-time professionals) and outside the Football League - hence the term non-league. There was no automatic promotion and relegation between tier 4 and the top non-league level until the late '80s.

    Sorry if this is a bit long!
     
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  2. Wahoo

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    Not at all, I appreciate you putting it together and educating me. Much clearer to me now. 2 things pop out right away: the actual cost of relegation from the PL, and the fact that with so much money floating about you would think that they could give more to the lower leagues. But that’s business I guess. Thanks again.


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  3. sozopol

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    Pochettino sacked. :( Love him, but I guess it was time for a change.

    Mourinho in? o_O
     
  4. Brook!

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    This seems to be the last chance for the chosen one. I have always been a fan of him. I hope he can resurrect his career with you guys.
     
  5. donkey

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    In all the excitement, you may have missed that Swindon have now won seven games in a row, and the Ginger Pele has scored at least one goal in the last nine games in a row.

    In your face Lewandowski!
     
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  6. Brook!

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    Glad to hear that donkey. If they played closer to London we could go see a game together :)
     
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  7. donkey

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    We're away in Stoke (over 100 miles from London) that day...
     
  8. Brook!

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    You sure? I checked Swindon Town schedule and didn't see the Stoke game during my trip to London.
     
  9. donkey

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    Well it's actually away to Port Vale in Burslem...I figured you wouldn't have heard of PV or Burslem, so I went with Stoke. :)
     
  10. Brook!

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    Got it. Next time then. Let’s focus on NFL Sunday on December 29th. Can you bet on NFL in betting places in London?
     
  11. donkey

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    I'm sure you can using online bookies. Given we're watching the game in a casino, if expect them to run a book, too. Be crazy if they didn't.
     
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    So probably the biggest 'unreleased' news story for Football ;)(soccer) has come out. Manchester City banned from UEFA competitions for 2 years for FFP breaches. https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/newsid=2638659.html

    This case has the power to make or break FFP in the long run and possibly throw English football into a tailspin
     
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  15. Brook!

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    I wonder what they will do about PSG. I think it is a shame what they did to Man City.
     
  16. donkey

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    City will pay some money and this will go away. A one year ban at most.
     
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    I don't think this will hold either. City will appeal this by throwing a brigade of expensive lawyers at them, and they will find a loophole to exploit.
    If it holds though, City finds itself in a really tough spot. Their squad is getting older and they need to buy new players, without the promise of Champions League football it'll be that much more difficult to buy quality ones.

    What a message it would send though at other big clubs across Europe.
     
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  18. Brook!

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    Actually thining more, I think I now support UEFA's decision.
    Fucking Arabs and their egos killing European football. City owned by Abu Dhabi Emirate. PSG owned by Qatar. French soccer is now a joke. City dominated PL with crazy money.
     
  19. Brook!

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    ADANMIS HAYATLARIN UMUDU GALATASARAY

     
  20. donkey

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    Just announced that League 2 will be decided by a weighted points per game system...Swindon Town are the champions! Now for beer!
     
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