Heh. That fucking guy again.... On the point of the thread, Wayne Hunter eats balls - sure. But Murrell wrote an article last week on the front page which, in a nutshell, said that the Jets need to keep McCoy under a 100-yard game, keep Celek from having a big day, and Aaron Maybin had to step up and keep Michael Vick from being comfortable in the pocket having just come back from broken ribs. So, when we failed at EACH of those three things and were bit in the ass, I can't rightly blame Wayne Hunter when the Eagles hang 45 points up. Seems to me if Murrell could predict our problems, the coaching staff could have also. That's a preparation issue.
If you don't want to be condescended to, start making more sense. First of all, the fact that the D is in a zone does not mean that one player cannot have primary responsiblity to cover one of the receivers. You seem to think otherwise, so it is difficult to talk to someone on your level of understanding. With or without being condescending. But let's just take it at your level. Harris underneath, Smith over the top. Why is it solely Smith's fault that Celek made that play? Most people who understand zones know that responsibility for an effective play by the O can be shared, even by the CS who drew up the scheme and assignments. That being the case it is difficult for the casual observer such as yourself to assign blame to one player on the D. Missed or broken tackles are one thing. But if a receiver catches the ball in a zone seam or between being handed over from the inside defender to the deep one, it is very difficult to know who, if anyone, blew the coverage. Okay, now that we should be ready to aknowledge that play was not on Smith, which one was?
We can have this conversation without you pretending to be some superior football mind. You come off as a pompous ass when you talk this way and it's really not necessary. No, I don't think otherwise, which is why I said that it appears to be Smith's responsibility. If you stop trying to guess what I'm thinking and assuming my "level of understanding" and start to listen to what I'm saying we wouldn't have this communication problem we seem to be having. If you watch the linebackers they both backpedal and get lateral at the same depth with there eyes on the QB. Smith on the other hand has more depth and is shaded towards the middle of the field where the reception occurs. Based on where the receivers are lined up and where Smith is lined up it appears is if he is responsible for the 5-10 yards between Harris and the other ILB. It is difficult, which is why I said without knowing the play I don't know for sure. All signs sure seem to indicate that was Smith's responsibility though. Much like you and BGA assume it's harris' fault, I can assume otherwise based on what I see happening on the play. I'm sorry, we don't agree on this.
"appears". To you it does. But then you hate Smith. And could not mention another negative play by him all game in a game that the Jets gave up 45 points. Bottom line is it was not Smith who was primarily responsible for the loss to the Eagles. And of course for the record you are wrong about the Celek reception, too.
Please it doesn't take a genius to realize we need to keep our 3 biggest defensive problems in the past from happening. We have no personnel to rush Michael Vick. We have no one to set the edge properly. We have no one who can cover a tight end. That is all personnel and not a preparation problem. Aaron Maybin got abused horribly the whole game. Embarrassed. He's just not that good. He's good when our coverage lasts forever because he has an endless motor. None of our safeties or linebackers can cover a TE with speed like Celek and if we can't get to the Vick theres nothing they can do. With Thomas out we lost our best LB at containing the rush. 80% of the people on this board knew those were going to be problems going in to the game. We just do not match up well with fast teams like Philly on offense. Now no one could predict our offense turning the ball over left and right but all in all it would have probably been a loss anyway with the way our defense played.
Exactly. The coaches knew too. Theres nothing they could do to make Pool and Smith good at coverage all of a sudden. Theres nothing they could do to make any of our linebackers faster to the outside. You can't make someone do something they are not capable of.
Or, in layman's term... You cannot win the Kentucky Derby on a donkey. (Ahh... that guy Peyton once did, when the stars lined up and blue moon rose over everybody's head - that's about all I can count. ONCE.)
WHAT?! So, they just sit in meeting rooms all week and resign themselves that LeSean McCoy is going to average 6 yards a carry, even though they've been fairly good at stopping the run? Or perhaps they just watched tape on Brent Celek, shrugged, and said, "Oh well...."? That's what gameplanning and preparation is all about - minimizing your own weaknesses. The Patriots field a defense that couldn't stop St. Coletta's Special Day School, but they seem to find ways.
Can you share what kind of defensive adjustment you would have liked to see? I can't - since I have no idea how this defense should have adjusted. There are three things you cannot teach in NFL: size, speed and brain. Jets D lack size and speed in LB and the secondary (Outside Revis, of course; and in case of Cro, he lacks brain, so there you go.) There is only so much you can do with this pitifully lacking talent core.
Don't put words in my mouth. Im saying that no matter what they did they didn't have the personnel out there to stop McCoy or Celek. Coaches can do everything in the world but its up to the players to go out there and execute. On Sunday it was the players who failed miserably not the coaches. If you can't see that I don't know what game you watched. Our pass rush got absolutely manhandled and our players looked slow. Brent Celek ran 76 yards getting chased by our safeties the whole way. Our defense might have looked a bit better if the O played better and didnt put them in terrible positions but the fact is when our D was out there they didn't execute when they needed to.
I'm not a coach of the Jets with access to gamefilm. I can't do their job, nor could they do mine. What I DO know is that they didn't do their job well on Sunday. Is that even a fair matter to dispute?
If I had time to go back and watch him every play on defense I'm sure I could identify other negative plays like the 87 yard TD thrown in what appears to be his zone. I never said Smith was responsible for the loss. I chimed in to debate your arrogant post that is based mostly on what someone else says rather than using your own eyes. If you'd like to watch the play again yourself and dispute what I saw we can continue the discussion. I think Smith is a good player in a very specific role in this defense. He's not a good starting NFL safety. Keep fighting the good fight of defending him though.
I'm not putting words in your mouth. You're doing a pretty good job at that yourself. Either this talent did or did not have enough talent to win on Sunday. If it did - and I think it did - then among the handful of reasons that talent didn't prevail is poor preparation. That's not absolving the players of anything. Why is it that we could lose 45-3 in a game against one particular team and then come back and beat them in a do-or-die game? Did we suddenly grow talent? Or perhaps we were better prepared.
There's enough blame to deal out to any number of people - Rex Ryan among them. By the way - in his presser this week, HE made pretty much the same point I'm making.
What I am saying is that... while I know the defense didn't play well, I am starting to wonder if that's about the very best they can put up with at the current talent level. You cannot do more than what you can do at your very best, right? Thus, if you are saying there must have been some room for improvement (that's the sentiment I get.) I am asking where you got that from. It's not like the offense situation of the past (I don't think the OL this year is adequately serviceable, and I am being very generous with this assessment.) where the team had all the necessary asset to perform but didn't pull it off. P.S. Eagles present a whole new level of problem than Patriots do. They present exactly same problem the Raiders do - Jets do not possess anyone with speed, so when the front seven fails to set the edge, then the RBs with blazing speed will have a field day. That's exactly what happened against the Raiders. (And we had Thomas that game too, didn't we?)
