So, who do you blame the most for this catastrophe?

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  1. TNJet

    TNJet Well-Known Member

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    Dance around it all you want but our major number one problem is Schotty.

    Wayne Hunter gets no help, you are only as strong as your weakest link.

    Santonio had major fuckups, did he get pulled?

    Shonn Greene no longer running up through their D, and we go to Slantsville and weak side screens oooohhhhhhhh, so crafty Brian.

    Our Defense has slow Line backers, but they get slower the longer they are out there on the field due to our poor offensive play.

    Be a man Rex, and fire Schotty, or sink with him.....your choice.
     
  2. Brunell's Debt

    Brunell's Debt New Member

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    Even great playcalling can't overcome horrible players.

    Additionally, just as the offense let the defense down against Denver and Baltimore, the defense blew it for the offense against New England and Oakland.

    Looking at a team that just gave up 45 points and deciding "it's the offensive coordinator's fault" shows that your Schottenheimer-hate is seriously clouding your ability to judge this team.
     
  3. Jetsfaninva

    Jetsfaninva New Member

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    This one has to go tone and the whole defense. N
     
  4. Pereiro16

    Pereiro16 Member

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    Catastrophe? Last time I checked we're still in 6th place in control of our own destiny
     
  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    How long have you been a Jets fan?
     
  6. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

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    REX REX REX oh and REX!
     
  7. Kentucky Jet

    Kentucky Jet Active Member

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    agreed. He is the culprit. he knew that he needed a cover safety to make his system work. What did he do about it? he knew that Moore was going to be rehabing a bad hip and that Hinter was a career backup scheduled to start for us. That is a recipe for disaster. What did he do about it? By the way ROBERT TURNER is NOT the answer at OT.
     
  8. REVISion

    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    Granted I haven't been here long but I've seen you defend Smith multiple times. The guy cannot cover for shit, I'm sorry. I would think it would be obvious to anyone who has watched our games this year, the amount of times we have been burned by TE's and WR's down the middle is absurd. That is a result of the Safeties failing to do their job more than anyone else. Eric Smith isn't a starting NFL safety, or at least he shouldn't be.

    I really don't think it should require an "articulate case" for you to see that, it's been blatantly obvious to most of us who have seen the games.
     
  9. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Smith is awful. He is a linebacker playing safety. He can not cover a TE and has been burned by them all year. He wants to blame the coaches well theres not much they can do because none of our safeties are that good in coverage. If Smith is on the field the other team is going to look to exploit him.

    He is a good run stuffer but that is not what we need out of him. We desperately need a new safety out of FA and hopefully we can make him a back up again or cut him and resign Jimbo to be our 3rd safety. Either way we need a new FS.
     
  10. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Hunter does get help but he can't receive help on every play.

    Who exactly will we pull Santonio for. He is our number 1 receiver in a very thin receiving corp.

    Shonn Greene runs the ball 4 times and ran off the field immediately. The guy is not the kind of person who can run play after play. So Schotty tried to switch it up with a screen to LT where he lost 4 yards then had to keep throwing.

    Defense has nothing to do with Schotty. Don't act like the other team has so much TOP over us because they dont. They gave up 28 points in the first half don't use the tired excuse its embarrassing.
     
  11. Sandman

    Sandman Well-Known Member

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    I think thats the point? 8-6 with a chance of the playoffs, seem way to many years when we had no chance of even getting in. This team has holes but its still better than a lot of years we have suffered.
     
  12. Rex's Sweater Vest

    Rex's Sweater Vest Active Member

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    First and foremost I blame society..

    And then I blame Tannenbaum for being content with a backup RT, and Safeties who run with ankleweights on, I have had enough!!

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  13. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    How did the Jets go wrong?

    Short off-season due to lockout. Everybody had that problem.

    Bad decision on Woody vs Hunter. Even if it was blank vs Hunter it was clearly a bad decision.

    Bad plan for what to do with a very short FA period. The Eagles got Asomugha after obsessing over him for a week, so they got screwed the most. The Jets obsessed over him while other people got away and real holes went unfilled. The Cowboys obsessed over him while other people got away and real holes went unfilled. I think it's safe to say that the pursuit of Nnamdi Asomugha cost three teams a lot this year, none moreso than the Eagles. The team he left? Maybe playoffs for first time in a while.

    Bad decision on bringing in Mason which cost them Cotchery. You really needed a 37 year old WR as your 3rd guy with Cotchery and Kerley on deck? Really?

    Bad decision on not finding a replacement for Turner when he went down.

    I mean so many corners were cut by the Jets it's a miracle they didn't bleed out in the process.
     
  14. mr nyjet

    mr nyjet Well-Known Member

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    :beer: yes ! what he said.....:)
     
  15. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    Ok,but this is a football messageboard. So do you not see it fitting that the most important topic discussed here is football? If someone walked into church and during service called the Jets loss a catastrophy,then i would see your point.
     
  16. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Name one play in the Eagles game where Smith blew his coverage. You can't.

    As I pointed out before, when the Jets field four linebackers, the primary responsibility for covering the TE goes on one of the linebackers. Celek had two monster plays, the first, the TD, he was covered by Scott. The second, the 73 yarder, he was covered by Harris.

    Yeah, you and all other casual fans who watch the tv and see the safety make a tackle on a long gain assume the safety had primary responsibility to cover the receiver. Nonsense.

    You need to learn the game.
     
  17. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Ftr I have that clown on ignore. He never says anything other than that Schotty is to blame whenever someone catches a cold.
     
  18. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    On the 73 yarder the Jets were in zone coverage in the middle of the field and you can't say for sure without knowing the play call but it sure looks like Smith was responsible for the deep middle of the field where the ball was caught. Harris 100% was not covering Celek on that play, but I guess I should learn the game.

    Eric Smith is a major liability in coverage and anyone with half a brain that watches football can see that. Please don't tell us we need to learn the game when you didn't even correctly identify zone coverage and thought it was man.
     
  19. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    You don't need to guess. You should.

    BGA on the Jets blog reported that Harris was the primary cover man on Celek on the 73 yarder.

    Look it up, and you might learn something.

    I never spoke to whether the overall coverage was zone or not, and did not say it was man. I said Harris had primary responsibility on Celek on that play.

    Here's why you really need to know more about football, though. You seem to think that if a safety ends up being the one who chases a TE after a catch, that the safety has primary coverage responsibilty on that receiver. Not so.

    Let me put it at a simple level for you. The safety is like the garbage man who cleans up other people's mistakes. But that doesn't mean he made the mess.

    I hope that helps.
     
  20. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Spare me the condescending BS. The safety is used in many ways in this defense. I don't care what "BGA" says, watch the play. The LB's are clearly in an underneath zone. Smith didn't line up as a traditional deep safety on that play.

    Harris can take the blame like Sanchez often does for all the offensive failures, that doesn't make it true.
     

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