Because they knew it was going to take two seasons to rebuild the defense and Ryan would likely go post-prime in that timespan? Ryan is putting up good numbers. Julio Jones has 93 catches. The Falcons aren't going to win based on a QB and a WR. If the QB was 27, well that's a different story, but Ryan will be 30 before next season begins. It's more likely that they keep Matt Ryan of course. However what exactly would it take to make the Falcons with Matt Ryan at QB a good team again? It's not like he was ever one of the top 5 QB's in the game. He was just hanging around that vicinity. Who is to say that Matt Ryan isn't the second coming of Brad Johnson, just with a much better rules set helping him out?
I mean I could say Archie Manning! Loser throughout his career. I think the Falcons need someone that can help on the other side of the ball (players and coaches). That defense has been average during the Mike Smith tenure.
I don't think Matt Ryan is a GREAT QB, I think he's very good and nowadays in the NFL it's tough to develop a GOOD quarterback. He could very well be Brad Johnson, but I don't think he ever leaves Atlanta. Kurt Warner and Larry Fitz got the Cardinals to a SB - they had a magical playoff run together. I just don't see the benefits of trading him.
The Jets would give their left nut to have Matt Ryan as QB. He doesn't play defense for the Falcons. That's been their achilles heel for his entire tenure.
Whether Archie Manning was a franchise QB is a subject for debate. The rules were a bit different back then. The Colts had a franchise QB for several years that cost them games in post-prime Johnny Unitas, ditto for the Jets with Joe Namath. Archie Manning was a great college QB with a huge following in the south and he led many bad Saints teams at a time when they were clearly an expansion team. He was a franchise QB in many of the same ways David Carr was for the Texans. The point is that Matt Ryan isn't doing the one thing a franchise QB has to do these days: he isn't winning games. He's not even winning as much as Jay Cutler was when Shanahan got fired in Denver and Cutler moved on the next season.
He's keeping them in games - where-as the run game and defense are playing below average. Josh McDaniels drafted Tebow what does that say about his decision making? It got him fired. btw Archie Manning was a franchise QB. He's the guy people came to see, w/out him the Saints prob never win a game ever during that tenure. At the end of the day I do see what you are saying, some coach could come in and blow the whole thing up if someone offered him 2 high first round picks for Matt Ryan.
Or offered a 1st round pick and a pro bowl player or any number of other high value deals that made the new coach sit up and decide to change course. If you're the new (defensively-oriented) coach in Atlanta sitting on the 7 pick and Jameis Winston is sitting for you there on your pick and somebody offers you a great defensive player plus a draft pick you probably trade Ryan without even thinking about it, almost reflexively.
This is a good point. I just looked at his numbers over his first two seasons, which don't tell the whole story of course, but he's put together a 59% completion percentage with a 2:1 TD:INT ratio... Not a bad start at all. In his rookie year it was 19:9. Obviously has size and arm strength too, but he was a pick of the old regime and the new one clearly doesn't like him as McCown has been much worse this season. Depending on who the next Jets regime consists of, this would be an excellent young guy to bring in to compete. Maybe he can be had for a mid or late round pick or even a player like Jeremy Kerley in the deal. Just a thought
I wouldn't be so sure Winston will be off the Table....... And we may gain a spot or 2 back before the season ends......,
my theory is if a team is letting a QB go to FA or trading him away...its because there no good and they dont want them...if they were decent with potential they would atleast sign them until they had a better replacemt ala (andy dalton, collin ka)
I think he's definitely worth a shot. I wanted to draft him when we drafted Geno. He played OK for a rookie, but lost his job to McCown at the start of this year. I thought it was a terrible decision by Tampa. They should have let him develop. If we get someone in here who knows what he's doing, we might be able to develop him ourselves.
What about trading a 2nd rounder for RG3? The Redskins could consider drafting Winston at #5 if he is still there and then picking up a 2nd rounder (mid 30s pick) for RG3.
The plan is the Jets have no plan. If Woody keeps Glat and Idzik in charge after this horrific season ends, then that tells you all you need to know about the future of this franchise, and it ain't good. Only divine intervention can save this franchise at this point.
Would you trade the 6th overall pick and Muhammad Wilkerson for Matt Ryan? I love Wilkerson and I can't wait to re-sign him, but after watching Coples play over the last few weeks I could see the Jets improving with a trade like that. An interesting (albeit extremely unlikely) scenario.
You never know, we could be aggressive and trade up? Not saying that's a good or bad thing, just saying you never know? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Nothing has changed. We need to add a qb in f.a. and 1 in the draft. So the plan remains the same. Sign a qb and take the first qb who's grade matches the pick. and its not like mariota and winston are #'s 1 and 2 with a bullet. Still alot of grading process to go through
God YES. I love Mo, but I would drive him to the airport if we could make that deal. Look how great JJ Watt is, and Houston can't even make the playoffs.
I'd trade Wilkerson and the 38 and maybe a conditional pick in 2016 depending on the number of games Matt Ryan played for the Jets in 2015. Maybe a 2nd or a 3rd in 2016. I'd keep the 6 pick and take a LT with it to support Ryan. I'd have the guy play RT next year if Brick was still good to go and I'd move Giacomini inside to RG. He's got a guard's mentality and he can't be a downgrade on Willie Colon at this point given the penalties and health issues.
