So how is Philly better poised to win a SB than the Jets?

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  1. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    Vick missed a few starts, those were sacks on Kevin Kolb
     
  2. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    You really think the Eagles offered the biggest contract? Maybe he wanted to be the main guy on a SB team as opposed to playing LeBron to Revis's Wade. Maybe he realizes the Eagles are the favorite in their division while we still have to go through a 14-2 Patriots team that added Haynesworth and Ocho.
     
  3. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Vick was sacked 34 times. Kolb was dumped the other 15 times.
     
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    We could never have paid aso more than revis. That would have been a very poor decision whether revis publicly stated he was good with it or not.

    The NFC East Crown was the Eagles to lose prior to picking up Aso, the Jets are not the clear favorites to win our division.
     
  5. Johnny English

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    Fair enough - although it's still a pretty sad indictment of that O-line.
     
  6. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    Absolutely you saw that offense slow down by the end of the year and Vick got the shit kicked out of him. But that defense is insane
     
  7. Miamipuck

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    You guys are just arguing semantics. That line sucks and can be a main reason why that team is not going to win anything other than the NFCE.

    They have one of the most over rated LT's I have ever seen, Jason Peters. That guy has been awful 3 years running and seems to sleepwalk into the Pro Bowl.

    I will be most surprised if Vic plays an entire 16 game season, very surprised.
     
  8. the99

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    Vick - 11 starts
    Kolb - 5 starts

    Vick - 34/11 = 3.1 sacks/start
    Kolb - 15/5 = 3 sacks/start
     
  9. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    I'm not sure I agree. The Eagles averaged 5.4 yards per rush. Their RBs averaged 4.96 yards per carry last season. That is a very good number.

    Vick always gets sacked a lot because he scrambles in the pocket so much. As for Kolb, he has not yet developed good pocket awareness.

    Jets passers were sacked 28 times in the 2010 season. I bet Vick and Kolb would have been sacked somewhere between 35 and 40 times if they played for the Jets last season.

    Also, in the Eagles offense there were a good number of designed deep passes to Jeremy Maclin and DeSean Jackson.
     
  10. JfaulkNYJ

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    They are a better football team on paper? Thats why..duh.
     
  11. 85inthehall

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    don't forget 66 fumbles lost 30 of them....had 11 fumbles last season - only lost 3. That is still a killer stat.
     
  12. jets_fan_in_fishtown

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    Philly has some major holes. They drafted the kid from baylor in the 1st, but their o line still is a mess. The bears and packers exposed them badly at the end of the season. that should have been their #1 priority, even if they had to go the trade route considering there weren't many good free agent o-linemen

    They got nmandi and rodgers cromartie (huge), but they also lost quintin mikell. Their d line will be formidable with trent cole and jason babin...but their real problem on defense is their linebackers. Seriously, who the fuck are their linebackers right now? Casey matthews was playing with the 1's...
     
  13. Brook!

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    I wish we play them in SB

    I want to watch Holmes catching game winning TD over Aso. Priceless.
     
  14. colleen74

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    That's exactly what I was going to say. His QB style is very different than other QBs, he is all over the place and basically asking to get sacked, and making it difficult for the o-line to protect him. He's like the anti-Brady.
     
  15. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    The anti-Marino works too.

    I'm not saying the 2010 Eagles offensive line was great, but it wasn't chopped liver either.

    Early in his career Marino was taking snaps from Dwight Stephenson who was a brilliant center. Webb, Sims and Uhlenhake were pretty good, but for the most part Marino did not have powerhouse linemen in front of him for most of his career, yet he did not get sacked a lot.
     
  16. jets_fan_in_fishtown

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    Well, for one, there are a fair amount of teams that are excellent run blocking but poor in pass protection or vice versa.

    The other thing is, Vick scrambled around in the pocket considerably less than he normally does, as far as abandoning the play. He used to do that in Atlanta all the time, but i watched enough Eagle games to clearly see that there were times when the protection would just completely break down and he HAD to run. They were able to run the football effectively because they have guys who can stretch the field, and vick is always a threat. you can't necessarily attribute that to the line really
     
  17. jets_fan_in_fishtown

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    who are their linebackers?

    seriously..they lost bradley to the cardinals, who else do they have ? I can't recognize one name aside from cassey mathews, and he's not anywhere as good as his brother

    They have a weird team composition right now in the sense that they're absurdly stacked in some areas (WR/RB, CB, QB, DE) but have literally nobody in others (LB, OL)
     
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  18. Cakes

    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    All fair points. I'm not saying the PHI line is great. However, the numbers don't show it to be bad. Alas, those are only numbers.

    Yeah, their LB corps is very shaky. They picked up Rashad Jeanty. He flashed some ability in Cincinnati a few years back. Akeem Jordan was a good backup last year and I think he started a few games last season. Is he still there? I haven't checked on that.
     
  19. bibigon

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    I think their plan is to go with a 5-1-5 defense. Really.
     
  20. Cellar-door

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    Full seasons with the falcons 45 fumbles 21 lost so about 11 fumbles and 5 lost fumbles a year. Sanchez 19 fumbles 4 lost, so 9.5 fumbles 2 lost per year.
    Personally I'll take an extra 3 fumbles a year for less INTs, and at least 500 extra rushing yards. The difference in fumbles is much smaller than the differences elsewhere, turnovers are turnovers it doesn't matter if it is a fumble or an INT.
     

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