Totally agree with this post. Teams like the Patriots or the Colts sign FA's to fill in the missing pieces on otherwise strong, competitive rosters. Teams like the 49er's sign FA's to build around. And that's why the Niners SUCK. (Nasty Nate Clements, Tully Banta-Cain, Antonio Bryant, Ashley Lelie, Darrell Jackson and Michael Lewis must have laughed all the way to the bank).
fans are perfectly entitled to bitch when their team is 4-12 and looked like crap for most of the season. Now on the the other hand, friends of mine who are giants fans were bitching about Eli and Coughlin all season long, so they are now drinking a big cup of STFU.
You just described yourself exactly. The team has gotten younger under Mangini, not significantly more talented. We downgraded from John Abraham to Bryan Thomas in the passrush dept. That's a big one Additionally we've downgraded at LG, RT, 3rd WR, FB/HBack, S We've improved at the spell RB position, the 2nd WR, and CB We've gotten younger but not significantly better at C, RB, ILB We've seen decreased effectiveness from some of our most talented players on D because of the scheme {Robertson-Ellis-Vilma} Although I know you like to pretend Ellis and Robertson's play has been the same- we both know that's a lie. If one doesnt see that- he obviously hasn't been watching the games very closely AT ALL
He truly will rejuvinize the sport. The best part is he is a great character, he is respectful and just enjoys being in DC and playing hockey in America. I have the priveledge of watching him play in person and seeing his personality in the locker room. He is just an all around good person. Plus his 20 year old Russian girlfriend that he flew to the states is HOT!. Youth?
Well its hard to make new arguments if you guys aren't. Uh...bullshit. D'Brick > 2005-present Fabini Mangold > '05 present Mawae Leon Cotchery Revis Harris This isn't even talking about guys like BT, Hobson, Rhodes, DRob, and Ellis...all who improved or played the same with Mangini... And used Abe to significantly upgrade at C over 2005-present day Mawae. Really? Over...who? LG would downgrade anyway because Kendall was only getting older, not better. We never even had a 3rd WR... FB isn't even a big part of our offense right now. S...who was our safety before? Rhodes has blown up into a top 5 safety. And S, LT, C, and ILB... So you would rather have stuck with 37 year old Mawae over a guy EVERYONE calls a future All Pro C? Or the 34 year old Martin with knee problems? And Harris last year blew Vilma out of the water. His rookie season is arguably one of the best at the LB position in Jets history...and he only started 9 games. Robertson was dominant in the 4-3? He's the same inconsistent with flashes of good play he's been his whole career. Ellis SUCKED in '05 and has been our best DE over the past two seasons. Vilma is the ONLY player on this D who has significantly fallen off under Mangini. Considering we gain BT, Rhodes, Harris, Revis, Rhodes, and even DRob for the long run...one player ain't shit. Do you mind present facts and some logic here? You want OLDER guys who were clearly declining for what? So we might have went .500 in '07? Congrats, but few care for your short term though process. I don't care for mediocrity, maybe you do. Like I said, good for you but I would never ever want a coach with similar ideals...we already had one in Herm and look how great that turned out. *Edit* On reading your post again, I'm actually even more disgusted than after the first time. You're actually arguing that a 37 year old loudmouth C, 32 year old oft-injured expensive DE, 35 year old whiny, declining LG, and basically every other mid-30's clearly declining player on this roster are some major losses. Short term, maybe they were. But if I care about short term mediocrity, I'd be mad at Mangini too. Whats even more amazing is that I know that if Mangini HAD kept those guys...you would probably spend most of your time bitching about how our idiot HC has done nothing to upgrade those positions while those players are clearly past their best days. In fact, I should probably cut that probably out...you would DEFINITELY be whining about how Mangini has done nothing to upgrade those players. Quick question for you: What would you have done differently from what Mangini has done? What good would keeping those guys have done to our team? How much do you think it would affect us in the short term to keep them? How do you think it would affect us long term? Would we be Super Bowl contenders with them? What did you say last offseason after we came off of a 10 win, playoff season? The most important questions are the short and long term questions...I really want to see your answers there.
A. Thomas received a 12,000,000 signing bonus plus a base 900,000 salary and counts 3.5 million against the cap last year. He had 78 tackles(57 solos) 21 assists and 6.5 sacks..That what $154,000 a tackle. A lot of cheddar for what is a very very average year.
So here's my question: how much better would the Jets defense have been last year if he was in there instead of Bryan Thomas or Victor Hobson? And yes, I know he played a lot of ILB for the Pats but he played OLB mainly for the Ravens before that.
I see your point..but its just a lot of money to spend on a linebacker to playing average and he was average..D. Harris is better.
If you take the time to ready DWare's post up above, the available FAs, after the huge no. of Franchise Tags that will be issued this year, are not worth the money. Let's get value for dollars. Draft well, and see what happens in the FA later on. Bargains means value for a price that's LESS than their worth. The FA market with today's Franchise Tags is all inflation and low value.
This years Draft is more important than the F/A period. We have to face some ugly truths about our team and the fact of the matter is no quality Free Agent would want to come here unless we Overpaid for them or even worse were the only team that would pay for them. Free Agents who are difference makers tend to want to go to teams that are on the rise or who have a shot a the Sb unless they are just signing for one last big contract or are in it for the Money. Until we fix our lines and show some promise we should shy away from spending big bucks on Free agents. Especially this years class.
The Jets reportedly gave Bryan Thomas a 5 year 29 million dollar deal with 7 million up front. Would they have been better off giving Adalius Thomas a 5 year 50 million dollar deal with 14 million up front? They've been giving average players above average contracts for 5 years now while ignoring (with the exception of the effective 1 year deal for Ty Law) exceptional players due to the high cost of acquiring them. Given that they have been spiraling downwards during this 5 year span you'd think maybe they would go get some exceptional players for their money instead of just endlessly signing the B squad.
You are absolutely right about this. The Problem is now that the team is so bad no A list players will even want to come here unless we overy pay for them.
So I guess the Pats get a freebiew whenever Adalius covers a WR from his LB spot.....and they only pay 5 cents for every time he causes confusion for the other team by lining up in different positions. No offense, but please give me a break. Sometimes you cannot quantify the kind of contribution a player makes to his team and Adalius definitely fits that bill.
You're right, no quality FA would want to come here based on what they can observe from this FO's track record never mind the team's relative lack of success the passed several years. Must be really attractive to them to watch has has been happening to L. Coles. Our only hopes is to over-pay....but I wouldn't mind the team over-paying for one or two impact FA (Faneca and Samuels) instead on their recent history of picking up scrubs whose best impact is on the Cap and not on the playing field. I can only hope that one day the Jets will have enough of a pulling power to haul in FA's like A. Thomas, R. Moss, Stallworth, Washington and Welker.....all in one freaking year.
Um...not significantly enough that he'd: 1. Be worth what we would have to pay him. 2. Make us contenders. 3. Cost less than we could afford because we had no cap room last offseason. He gave the Pats a deal with the contract they gave him. That says alot about what he wanted, because I'm pretty sure the 49ers were ready to sign him to a monster deal.
Do you even want to pretend you remember/knew our cap situation last year? And no...we'd be marginally better for alot more money with an older player who wanted to win now. But hey....we'd get that big name we've all dreamed about!!
Dude, stop bringing up LAST season with all of your stupid bullshit. So, you'd rather have a bunch of 32 year olds that WANT to win instead of young guys that have potential TO win? Just because the vets want it, doesn't mean they can do it. Sure, you need leaders -- Baltimore's defense is a great example: Ray Lewis and Chris McCalister are the only remaining vets. They got rid of Boulware and Adalius Thomas. They brought it Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Dajuan Landry, and Terrell Suggs through the draft and Samari Rolle through FA. You have to stay young. You have to get younger in this league. If a team stays old, they'll be at the bottom sooner than most. Give Mangini and Tannenbaum some time to turn this team around. Edwards left this team in shambles and they're doing their best to clean it up. Mangold, Revis, Harris, maybe D'brick, Nugent, and Clemens, and whoever they bring in through this draft will be the future of this team. Hopefully all of the pieces will fall into the right place.
Ooooooook.... Read my post you're replying to. Read 90% of the serious posts I make. I mean you're right on the football points, but I'm thinking you've got me all wrong. You should probably tell this to guys who actually do whine about getting younger like it's a bad thing. Those are the same guys who constantly whine about last offseason because we didn't do well this season...even though most Jets fans were very optimistic after last offseason.
