Andrew Luck is not "can't-miss". I give him a small chance of being an all-time great, maybe 2%. I give him maybe a 5% chance at the Hall of Fame. That's because he's early in his career. He's not lighting the world on fire. He's going to be compared to a guy who is an all-time great in Peyton Manning. There are so many things that could happen, positively and negatively, to change our perspectives of Andrew Luck moving forward. For one thing he has to win a Super Bowl at some point and I don't think that's going to be as easy as we think it will right now. The Colts took a long time to get there and win one with Peyton and he was a better QB than Luck is by quite a bit.
There is no such thing as a "can't miss" at QB. He completed 63% of his passes, had 303 yards combined rushing and passing, with 1 TD and 1 Turnover. That is playing pretty damn well for a rookie against a talented defense. I'm not sure where you get "played like shit" from other than personal bias. Just like it did Tom Brady. He's had two good games (for a rookie) and one bad game in bad weather, where a future hall of famer also played badly. The real test of Geno Smith will be in the middle of the season when teams have plenty of tape on him at the NFL level and can take away what he likes to do. The Peyton Manning comparison is just to prove even the best QB ever didn't light it up in his first few games.
Sure he is. The concept of "can't miss" is prospective, not retrospective. Of course anything could change positively or negatively, but there hasn't been a QB in a decade that was as pro ready, was as well thought of, was as "can't miss" as Luck coming out of college and his first year was pretty good. Not to say that he WON'T miss, of course. But there is not another 1st, second or 3rd year QB that you could say is anymore "can't miss" than Luck. I'd take Luck right now over just about any QB in the NFL other than Rogers (because of the age of Brady, Peyton, Brees). If Luck doesn't qualify as "can't miss", then the phrase should be stricken from sporting jargon. _
There's no such thing as "can't-miss" in the NFL. The injury factor is too high and the need for a strong supporting cast almost dwarfs the injury factor in terms of making greatness a reality.
Missed my point. Then there is no such thing as "can't miss" in life, anyone could step off a curb and get hit by a bus, any NYSE company could get destroyed by an insider trading or bribery scandal, they greatest looking peach could be infected with e.coli and kill you and that perfect gorgeous woman you took home to meet your parents may turn out to be a crazy bitch whore. Andrew Luck is the definition of a "can't miss" NFL QB. Not to say he won't miss, but that's what the jargon means. _
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Leaf Cant miss is jargon that sports reporters use and as you define it, involves Redefining the word "can't"
Ryan Leaf was NEVER thought of as can't miss. Nobody new who he was the year before that draft. Peyton Manning? Andrew Luck? Everyone knew who they were and they're the very definition of "can't miss". I think Bridgewater is going to be a great pro, but I would never call him "can't miss". _
Much like the Sanchez crap, I love when someone brings up completion percentage in the mix....its like they ignore the fact that WRs drop balls and hurt that stat.
Did you do this type of comparison when Freeman and Sanchez were both drafted in 2009? For your consideration the following link;(the focus should be on Sanchez/Freeman, I had to delete a portion of other QB's due to character limits, but you can go to the link for the whole analysis). The point being it's ridiculous to even dream of calling these rookies three games into the season a bust, a success, etc. http://www.footballnation.com/content/2009-nfl-draft-worst-quarterback-class-all-time/24990/ 2009 NFL Draft: Worst Quarterback Class of All-Time? By Daniel Hutchinson September 14, 2013 7:34 am Print 223 Views 0 Comments The two quarterbacks that are currently making headlines these days are Mark Sanchez of the New York Jets and Josh Freeman of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Both Sanchez and Freeman were drafted to be starting quarterbacks for their respective teams and now they could be hitting the unemployment line. This article takes a look at each of the quarterbacks in the 2009 NFL draft and tries to determine if the 2009 quarterback class was one of the worst ever. Round 1, Pick 1: Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions Matthew Stafford was the first pick of the 2009 NFL draft being picked by the Detroit Lions and was given a six year contract worth around 78 million dollars. In his rookie season Stafford played in 10 games having a starting record of 2-8, a completion percentage of 53 percent, while throwing for 2,267 yards, 13 touchdowns, and 20 interceptions. In 2010, Stafford suffered a shoulder injury and only played three games that season throwing for 535 yards, six touchdowns and one interception. The 2011 season was by far Stafford’s most successful as he led the Lions to a 10-6 record, threw for the third most passing yards in the league with 5,038 yards, while also throwing 41 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. Stafford was also named the AP Comeback Player of the Year in 2011. In Detroit’s first playoff appearance since the 1999, season the Lions lost to the New Orleans Saints, 45-28. In 2012, Stafford passed for over 4,900 yards, however, his touchdown total fell down to 20 while still throwing 17 interceptions and the Lions finished the season with a 4-12 record. So far in 2013, the Lions are 1-0; however Stafford threw two touchdowns to one interception in the Lions win over the Vikings. Analysis: Stafford is by far the best quarterback to come out of the 2009 draft, but overall he is still not an elite quarterback. Stafford is in his fifth season in the league and has only led the Lions to one playoff appearance while having no MVP trophies or Pro Bowl appearances to his name. Round 1, Pick 5: Mark Sanchez, New York Jets The New York Jets traded their first and second round picks in the 2009 draft to the Cleveland Browns for the right to move up to the fifth pick and the Jets used that pick on quarterback Mark Sanchez, who had played only one full season as the starting quarterback for the USC Trojans. While Sanchez posted a winning record his rookie year, he also finished the season ranked 25th in passing yards with 2,444 yards, while also have a completion percentage of 54 percent, 12 touchdowns, 20 interceptions and eight fumbles. Despite his shaky stats, Sanchez was able to help the Jets make it to the AFC Championship game before the team lost to the Indianapolis Colts 30-17. In 2010, Sanchez led the Jets to a 11-5 record while finishing with a completion percentage of 55 percent, while throwing for 3,291 yards, 17 touchdowns, 13 interceptions and five fumbles. The Jets made the playoffs again this time losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Championship game by a score of 24-19. In 2011, the Jets and Sanchez would finish with an 8-8 record and missed the playoffs for the first time with Sanchez. While Sanchez threw for an impressive 3,474 yards and 26 touchdowns in 2011, he also threw 18 interceptions, had four fumbles, and was sacked 39 times. In 2012, Sanchez’s starting record was 6-9, and he threw for 2,883 passing yards, 13 touchdowns, and 18 interceptions while being sacked 34 times and having nine fumbles. This past off-season Sanchez was competing with rookie Geno Smith for the Jets starting quarterback job when he was injured in the fourth quarter of the Jets third pre-season game against the New York Giants. NFL.com is now reporting that Sanchez has a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. There is no telling how long Sanchez will be out with this injury, which is unfortunate since it will give him fewer opportunities to prove why he should stay in New York. Analysis: Despite leading the Jets to the playoffs in his first two seasons with the team, Sanchez has never displayed outstanding or spectacular ability as a quarterback. Sanchez has a regular season starting record of 33-29, with a completion percentage of 55 percent, 68 touchdowns, 69 interceptions thrown, and 26 fumbles. Sanchez also has failed to win a Super Bowl, a major NFL award or be named to a Pro Bowl. Sanchez may finish the season with the Jets but by the time the 2014 season rolls around, Sanchez will be the back-up to another quarterback in the league. Round 1, Pick 17: Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay Buccaneers The Tampa Bay Buccaneers also traded up in the first round of the 2009 draft to land former Kansas State quarterback Josh Freeman. In his rookie season Freeman played in ten regular season games, starting nine of those and finished with a record of 3-9. In that season Freeman had a completion percentage of 55 percent while throwing for 1,855 yards, 10 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. The 2010 season was by far the best of Freeman’s career. In that season Freeman led the Buccaneers to a 10-6 record, while completing 61 percent of his passes, while also throwing for 3,451 yards, 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. Although Freeman and the Bucs finished with a 10-6 record they still failed to make the playoffs. Hopes were high for Tampa Bay in 2011, and despite having a completion percentage of 63 percent and throwing for 3,592 yards he also had a touchdown to interception ratio of 16 to 22 and the team lost their last ten games of the season and finished with an overall record of 4-12. After the hiring of a new head coach and a great free agency period hopes were again high for the Buccaneers in 2012. Despite the fact that Freeman became the first Bucs quarterback to throw over 4,000 passing yards, Freeman had nine interceptions in the last three weeks of the season, finishing the year with a completion percentage of 55 percent, 27 touchdowns, 17 interceptions, and a record of 7-9. Freeman did not impress anyone with his first start of 2013 finishing the game with 15 completions on 31 passes, 210 passing yards, one touchdown and one interception. Analysis: Freeman is on a short leash with head coach Greg Schiano and Tampa Bay fans and is running out of time to prove himself especially with rookie quarterback Mike Glennon waiting in the wings. In his time with Tampa Bay Freeman has failed to lead the Buccaneers to a playoff appearance, and his play on the field has been inconsistent at best. Freeman’s regular season starting record with Tampa Bay is 24-33, while his career numbers are a completion percentage of 59 percent, 79 touchdowns, 64 interceptions, 24 fumbles, and has been sacked 106 times. Unless a miracle happens, do not expect Freeman to be in a Buccaneers uniform in 2014. Final Analysis Is the 2009 quarterback class one of the worst ever? The answer to that question is a resounding yes. Stafford despite having some talent around him has only managed one winning season and one playoff win with the Lions. Sanchez and Freeman are most likely to leave the teams that drafted them and who know if and when they will get another starting gig. Painter is an okay quarterback but most likely will never be a starter again in the NFL. The Jets and Buccaneers each drafted a new quarterback in the 2013 NFL draft and only time will tell if these new quarterbacks will become what Sanchez and Freeman could not.
How many INTs do you think Sanchez would have if he was the one throwing balls more than 20 yards downfield instead of his usual 3 yards behind the line?
Glennon completed about 45% of his passes in practice, which is not great. He is very tall and has a strong arm, but his accuracy has been described as inconsistent by scouts. They also mentioned that he has a tendency to backpedal against pressure, which is very bad because that makes it hard to get the throw off, and the other thing is that you cannot coach someone to not be afraid of getting hit. Is Geno Smith going to have a rookie year like RG3? Probably not- but that can't be the measuring stick of whether he is a "bust" or not, or whether it was a mistake to draft him. And although RG3 had a great rookie year, right now he doesn't look like a top QB, ever since they stopped really doing the read option with him. (He hardly runs anymore, because the coaches know they're going to get him destroyed if they keep doing that.) Most "elite" QBs take several years to really become great, so it's hard to put too much stock in just one year, unless they are truly bad even by rookie standards. What matters is- can Smith be the Jets' QB of the future? The answer is: we don't know, it's too soon to tell. We can find out if he is a starting-caliber QB or not in his first year, but lots of great QBs had average stats their first year playing. If he was putting up Ryan Leaf numbers, then yeah you could say he was a bust, but so far he is doing a lot of things right but is making lots of rookie mistakes. Over the course of the season, we'll see how Smith learns and develops. Comparing QBs just 3 games into their careers is premature and not likely to be all that revealing as to how good they will eventually become.
Nobody gives a shit what your avatar is. For anybody to call a QB a "BUST" when they haven't even played a single NFL game is nonsense. An I don't argue with nonsense.
It is funny. First off, I do not think Geno will outpace the Sanchez in TO this year. He will never out fumble Mark. But I will take a few INTs if we keep getting 20+ yard completions from Geno. A lot of QBs throw INTs but they also produce a lot of offense. To call someone a bust before he has played is the act of an irrational mind. To do it after 3 starts is to deny history. So many good QBs were dreadful their first 8 games or so.
yea, our offense is apparently all world and those colts had no running game ... its not like they had a hall of famer like marshall faulk who could rush for 1300 yards all peyton had to throw to that year was that bum marvin harrison and some back that had over 900 receiving yards
Glennon is just not a good QB. Back in December I was excited to watch my beloved Vanderbilt take on NCstate in the music city bowl. I was looking forward to watching an NFL QB play. I was disappointed. Glennon is not an NFL QB. He has the arm strength but his reads and accuracy are just abysmal. The number of time he just dropped back stared down one receiver and threw a pick in that game was 4 and could have been over 7 if not for drops. The kid has a great arm but he is going to be embarrassed this weekend.
