I got killed here for saying that Tebow should have started week 1. My point wasnt that Tebow was all that great, it was that he isnt that much worse than sanchez as a passer and he generates more offense when you account for his rush yards. I got killed for that but it is funny to see how many people are coming around to that point of view.
I think he does that to some degree on some issues (especially Lebron), but with Tebow, I don't think he's just going against the grain, he has been very consistent in his defense of Tebow and it sure as heck seems sincere to me.
I can't recall all he has said specifically but he has made some pretty outlandish declarations when it comes to Tebow. For instance when he said that he would take Tim Tebow over Aaron Rodgers to win one game. Come on. All things being equal, there is no way you can have that opinion and be considered objective or rational.
He was very consistent and early on Cam Newton as well -- he was one of the first to come out clearly and say "Are you kidding me? This guy is a NFL qb."
To add to your point Skip does get petty, but I think he does it because they literally talk about Tebow so much you eventually run out of new things to say. Not to long back he was criticizing Tebow for supposedly eating 4 entrees at an Italian restaurant with Urban Meyer. Saying that Tebow was eating too much LOL. Now that is ridiculous.
Skip Bayless, when not on TV, good guy. On TV, admits to not watching games and commenting on them as he watched them using box scores. Trys to undermine everything Lebron does, including trying to fault Lebron for reading the Hunger Games before a playofff game. Skip Bayless is the definition of a troll on TV and I haven't watched him or Skip Bayless since June except for the Cuban video and the guy that imitated Stephen A video. Few things I contest in the article. Would the Jets really use Shonn Greene if they hypothetically were trying to put Tebow in the best position? I think Powell and McKnight would be better options. Also Sanchez had multiple, not a couple, comebacks in his second year too. I'm not saying that to defend Sanchez, but to point out that Sanchez never got his year called "magical" or "biblical". The bias for/against Tebow goes both ways. Skip is crossing a thin line saying black QBs have gotten similar opportunities that Tebow did. I'm not going to touch that, but Skip has pushed the boundaries A LOT with race to troll. He's offended Parker (who I don't like either) and other on air participants by either being narrow minded accidently or on purpose. Pro Bowls are used as arguments for good players still? The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. Tebow full time would not be the #1 rushing offense. Just no. They could improve dramatically, but they wouldn't be number 1. Tebow is not an underrated athlete. One thing everyone praises him for is that he is much more athletic than he looks. He isn't built like a quick, agile guy, but he has the footwork and agility of one. And Skip is nowhere the lone objective defender. He can't call himself that because he isn't objective on anything. He thinks he's objective because counters the ultra hate from Stephen A. No that turns you into the completely opposite side. Skip Bayless once tried to tell the audiance that Denver's defense didn't play well in any of Tebow's wins. THis was probably to counter Stephen A Smith saying they played elite. He isn't objective, he just goes agaisnst whatever Stephen A says and tries to yell louder to get his point across. The only thing Skip is is consistent. He will stick by something even if he knows he is wrong. He doubles down and tries to spin the argument in other directions. Any one of us could run circles against First Take Skip. Unfortunately he lets First Take Skip take over too much and you don't see the good writer he is and reporter he was.
when viewing the all22 film on NFL rewind you can clearly see we have signifciantly more open recivers when we go 4, ro even 4 wideouts. its night and day. but we dont really do it because we cant protect and sanchez struggles most when he is forced to throw early
In my reading of the article, iirc Skip said he was Tebowed too. Come to think of it, that may be the reason he wrote the article. To explain how he got caught up in the whole thing. As a Gator I didn't feel caught up in it so much as Tim was our QB and we want our Gators to win all of our games. As a matter of fact, if Tim hadn't won games, he would have been a foot note like many others. And Driskel better tighten up or he will be a foot note too. Ask Ron Zook if I'm correct. He recruited our 2006 NC team and wasn't at UF when we won it, fair or not. Edit: Displaced fan makes salient points about Skip. Still, it's a good article.
Zook can kiss my ass and I hate you for mentioning that name, say Addazio I dare you Sincerely UF Alum
All he was saying is he thinks Tebow has a bigger "clutch gene" than Aaron Rodgers, and I for one would agree - at this point anyway. Your comments were "subjective" opinions about whether or not Skip's comments were "objective". Ironic. Funny you should mention that. I caught a little bit of the show today and it seemed from his comments about Cam that he is beginning to have 2nd thoughts about Cam's future in the NFL, not because of his talent but because of his psyche. Personally, I've felt that way about Cam since before he was drafted. It won't surprise me at all if he's "nobody special" as a QB in the NFL 5 years from now, if he's still in the league. I'm just not sure he has the mental "balls" to be something special in the league. With his throwing and running talent and his size, if he had the competitive psyche of Tim Tebow he'd be darn near unstoppable. A couple points: 1) How many 4th quarter comebacks did Sanchez have that were quite as amazing as Tebow's, both against the Texans in 2010 and against multiple opponents last year? Down 15-0 at Miami with less than 5 minutes left in the game? Any 4th quarter comeback is something special, but several of Tebow's were darn near unbelievable. 2) Part of the reason some of Tebow's 4th quarter comebacks seemed so mystifying and incredible (and some truly were) to a lot of folks is because of the expectations that were built for Tebow by 99% of the NFL media from before he was even drafted. They had the general NFL fan population so convinced that Tebow wouldn't ever even sniff success in the NFL as a QB, that when he not only wasn't awful, but he actually led his team to the playoff's and won against the Steelers, it was a shock to the system of folks who had a predetermined idea in their minds of what Tebow would be. They had only themselves to blame for making up their minds before they saw him actually get a chance, but still, there it is. The expectations that were set up for Tebow were so low that pretty much all he had to do was not trip over his own shoelaces and complete a few passes and he'd already beaten expectations. Bull. Skip goes out of his way to be sensitive to race issues on that show, and some of his favorite athletes are black. His favorite guy is RGIII (even more than Tebow). And can you show me one single Black QB in the last 30-40 years who had Tebow's success both as a passer and as a runner in Division I NCAA, who did not get a legitimate shot at being a QB in the NFL? And don't say Kordell, because his success in NCAA wasn't remotely at the level of what Tebow accomplished. I didn't see that. All I've ever seen him say is that basically Denver's defense last year was very overrated, and they were. His comments frequently were in response to the Tebow haters on the show saying that the defense was basically solely responsible for Denver's run of success last year under Tebow, that Denver won in spite of Tebow. Look at Denver's defensive ranking in the league last year. Not very good. Did they play good in some games? Yes, they did. Did they crap the bed in multiple games? Without a doubt. I'd love to see the numbers from last season on which defense had the most games where their opponent scored 40 or more points. I'd bet Denver is up near the top on that list from last year.
Yes but he also rode the Vince Young bandwagon far too long. For everything he was "right" about there are many instances of him holding onto an opinion to the point where it becomes ridiculous. As to the clutch gene thing, that's fine and I might agree too, but playing well enough that you don't need a 4th quarter comeback like A-rod did in his super bowl run is much more valuable than having more of a clutch gene. lol I guess you sorta have a point. But I don't think there is any sort of objective analysis that would lead anybody to believe that Tebow would be a better option to win one NFL game over A-rod, or any other QB who has won the MVP and a Super Bowl. Looking at facts you would be hard pressed to find an argument for Tebow.
just a note, the Manning led Broncos are struggling to score early in games and have relied thus far on 4th quarter rallies to keep the games close in every game but the raiders game, where they had a 3rd quarter blitz. 1st and 2nd quarters they cant score to save their lives
Skip. Bayless. Is. An. Idiot. Who. Says. And. Writes. Things. So. That. ESPN. Can. Create. Controversy. And. Have. Their. Own. Version. Of. A. Villain. Please. Stop. Showing. ESPN. That. They're. Correct. By. Never. Ever. Ever. Ever. Again. Quoting. Bayless. Or. Giving. Him. Credit. For. Anything. Other. Than. Being. A. Dumbass. That is all.
I would say that Texans game where they went 70-80 yards in 30 seconds. I know the one he had against Denver was a literal prayer but it was a comeback. The Cleveland one where he was dodging lineman left and right like crazy was cool. Detroit I don't remember too well. Was this the year he had Buffalo where the defense blew it and he marched the offense right down the field to win it? Again it cuts both ways the Tebow enigma. The Miami comeback was great, but in overtime didn't Miami fumble in their own territory and Denver run the ball twice and kick the field goal? Didn't the Chicago comeback involve a Marion Barber and two 50+ field goals? Some people go out of their way to give no credit to Tebow and some people go out of their way to give all the credit to Tebow when in fact the whole team stepped up pretty big in a couple late games but Tebow either gets all the credit, or none of the credit. Skip is guilty of this. But my original point was in fact that the Tebow factor goes both ways. For every article there is saying he did nothing, there is one saying he did everything. Just because he has a favorite athlete that is black doesn't mean he isn't narrow minded at times. Also, this is not an argument about Tebow, just what Skip wrote. And Skip has pushed the issue and almost being borderline racist when trying to classify Blake Griffin as white or black and say that it comes from whichever parent raised him or something like that. He does push the line and I think he did it there too. You can't quantify things people had to overcome. So to try and say that one person overcame as much or even more than someone else is ridiculous. To then try to include race into it, even more ridiculous. This is about Skip's writing, not what Tebow can and did and cannot and didn't do. I did say that Skips overreaction about the defense was a response to a Stephen A reaction. I said that's why he can't call himself the lone objector because he went so far the opposite of Stephen A that one was loving and the other hating. Neither were objective. I'm arguing about Skip here, not Tebow. Skip isn't objective, and to call himself the lone objector is him not being objective. Remember this a guy who didn't watch basketball games, said you can't judge Lebron games from a box score, but then tried to argue that you needed to watch the game to see Lebron didn't play well. But Wade really lit up the box score and without his 6 points the Heat would have lost. The Skip on First Take is not the real Skip, but the Skip on first take is the persona he uses on Twitter and on other ESPN TV shows
I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with my post. Not trying to be a dick I really don't see what you are refuting in what I said.
