Skip Bayless loves Tebow

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  1. EastVillager

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    Skip Bayless is the Bleacher Report of talking heads.
     
  2. Bannon

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    You must not have watched the Pats game in the postseason. Doesn't describe their "formula" at all.
     
  3. VanderbiltJets

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    Only one formula matters:

    Tebow scrambling? Have your defenders go right because he's going to favor running towards his left side. THAT'S what ended tebowmania.
     
  4. VanderbiltJets

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    I assume you're saying that from 2007 to today, the Broncos haven't had a winning season. Unless '08, '09, and '11 all count as winning seasons.
     
  5. VanderbiltJets

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    Can you say the same about Russell Wilson (highest passing efficiency rating season in college football history), Colt Brennan (highest career completion %), and Case Keenum (most passing yards and most passing TDs, career)?

    If it's just college football wins, then how do you feel about the NFL prospects of David Greene (42), Ken Dorsey (38), and Matt Leinart (37)? [players who all won more games than Tebow].
    Not to mention Chris Leak (36), Chris Weinke (32), Chad Henne (33), Eric Crouch (35), Colt McCoy (30), and Vince Young (30).
     
  6. JohnnyThaJet

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  7. Bannon

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    My opinion varies on all of them, for various reasons, based on their play. Many of them were drafted (unlike Kellen Moore, which was a surprise to me). All things being equal, I tend to value repeated, demonstrable college efficiency. I do like Colt McCoy and Vince Young.

    I did think Russell Wilson was drafted too high -- I can't really justify him going that early and Moore not being drafted at all.

    Eric Crouch never demonstrated any passing ability. His Heisman was in an off year, and he didn't deserve it.
     
  8. Bannon

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    That's not accurate -- most quarterbacks are the same way, and that's not the only "formula" that matters, nor is it why the Patriots were so successful.
     
  9. VanderbiltJets

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    Just wanted to make sure you weren't subjecting yourself to the "college wins equals NFL success" BS
     
  10. VanderbiltJets

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    During the 1-whatever streak, it's one of the biggest reasons why Denver was losing games. Tebow rolls out to his left at more than a 2-to-1 ratio, and Tebow as a player is significantly hindered (statistically) with every hit in the backfield (even if he breaks the tackle). So, while the instinct reading seems minor, it was very important to containing Denver's offense IMO.
     
  11. Bannon

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    If you want my sincere opinion (because I let most arguments pass about the losing, because it is what it is, failure), the progression of losses went like this:

    1. First Patriots loss -- this was actually a good game by Tebow, and he led his team down the field multiple times. The Broncos were crippled by three straight turnovers that allowed the Patriots offense to not only catch up, but take a commanding lead. An ordinary loss to a good team. Nobody wins them all.

    2. Buffalo loss -- not a good game. The Buffalo brought the "mush rush" contain, forcing Tebow to stay in the pocket, and not roll left either. There were some bad bounces, and when he came out in the second half, made an attempt to let it fly and the interceptions just kept coming. All young quarterbacks have some games where they are flummoxed by what the defense is showing.

    3. KC loss -- KC was a great defense toward the end of the year, but anemic offense. They had just beaten the Packers, and Romeo had that defense at an elite level by season's end. Tebow played this whole game like a chess match. After an early fumble, he seemed to be playing for Tebow time -- wouldn't or couldn't pull the trigger. Receivers breaking open early, and he doesn't pull the trigger. Tentative. His worst game.

    Then, Elway spoke to him in the week following. Told him it was great that they he had comebacks, but he had to "pull the trigger." Throw the ball. Don't hesitate, don't let desire to protect the ball keep him from letting it fly.

    In the Pittsburgh win, Tebow did that. He showed he could address a failing. He threw gutsy pass after gutsy pass. Much has been made of the defense Pittsburgh put in -- but that was basically the defense KC had put in. You can't really blame LeBeau. It had worked the week before because Tebow was too conservative and protective. But against the Steelers, Tebow showed he could grow and fire the ball out of there on time and on target. That's important -- that the supposed "recipe" to stop Tebow wouldn't work.

    Then came the Patriots. They did something different. They looked at film on the O-line's weaknesses. Kuper is the best lineman and he was out for the year. And Walton and Beadles are scrubs -- they will be out of the league in a short time. And the huge rookie Franklin does not have the feet yet for a speed rush. The Patriots shot through upfield every time. Just blew up every pass play by getting in the backfield, from all positions.

    And this is key -- the Broncos coaches should have adjusted quickly. When the other team is blowing contain like that, just getting upfield and paying no attention to short pass coverage, you've got to dial up some plays/routes that punish them. Just dump it right over their heads (not screens, but quick slants, etc.). But they didn't. The coaches kept calling their same stuff -- slow developing plays, same old routes. No adjustment. Meanwhile, the Patriots were scoring 35 points in the first half. It was just an all-around murdering that exposed the weaknesses in the Broncos O-line (good for run-blocking, but horribly inconsistent in pass blocking).

    There you have it.
     
  12. Demosthenes9

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    Nice analysis. I'd add that in the last games, the Pats were running a form of a 5-2 defense with 5 guys on the Dline on every play. Their specific alignment varied based on how Denver's Oline was set up (5, 6, or 7 man line).
     
  13. Passepartout

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    Seems as though Skip has really loved Tebow since he came into the league. Or way before college!
     
  14. CowboysFan

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    Unfortunately (and as usual as you barely ever actually state a fact that can be proven true) the Denver Broncos were indeed the worst team in the NFL , even going back 31 games where their record of 7-24 was the VERY WORST in the entire NFL during that span.

    if you put Tebow on those teams , what is your definition of sucking worse? not making it to the AFC championship? as that is the thing his team failed to do.
     
  15. Demosthenes9

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    Skip became a Tebow fan and supporter the night Tebow imposed his will on, and beat, the Sam Bradford led Oklahoma Sooners for the National Championship. Tebow only passed for 231 yds and 2 TDs, but he ran for a 109 yards as well.
     
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    and the patented late game clutch drive.
     
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    Stephanie A. is a jerkoff. Tebow is going to help this organization. I am so glad Schittenheimer is gone. No direction left but up.
     
  18. SI_Jets_Fan

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    You are absolutely right. Tebow will definitely help this organization. As a better Brad Smith, not as a better Mark Sanchez.
     
  19. displacedfan

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    I am starting to understand Skip Bayless. He just said about Lebron he could care less about the first 47 minutes of a game. He doesn't care about it. That explains why he thinks so highly of Tebow I guess but doesn't explain why he values Tony Romo so highly. He just takes all the polarizing opinions and doesn't hold to his own values when arguing.

    He just snuck Mario Chalmers in the same class of shooters as Paxson and Kerr. He might be the most biased guy I have seen, and that's on a show with Stephen A Smith.
     
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    That is a really good observation I have never heard anyone make ...hhmm...your right man and i watch first take everyday...

    On Tony, he simply does not choke in pressure situations, he simply does not., its an ESPN manufacturer story line because he dropped a snap in his first playoff game (as a holder). In fact of all active QBs currently in the NFL he has the highest 4th quarter QB rating. he also has the 2nd highest QB rating in NFL history. He is the anti Rothlisberger though, where his team loses him the game instead of winning it.

    last year he had two bad games. One against the jets and one against detroit. In the other 14 games he threw just 4 interceptions. He brought the cowboys back in the 49er game , dolphins, patriots (eventually lost), cardinals (coach iced kicker) , Giants (14 point lead in the middle of the 4th given up by defense). its miraculous how many games he ends up losing by strange occurrences and even then he stills wins as a starter with a win to loss ratio of 2-1. Last year the Cowboys lost FIVE games where they had a double digit lead in the 4th quarter. That was not on Tony
     
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