A bigger problem this team has had is CS turnover... Mainly the HC. Scheme changes left and right on both sides of the ball really have decimated this team. Consistency will help this team so much. Good old bill in Be has been there for a while and I believe that's another reason they thrive...It's the same...Brady has had how many years exacting the same type of offense...What more than a decade? The defence is consistent. I get flipping to 4-3 may be a benefit but come on we really gotta figure it out and stick it out. I really hope Bowles pulls his head out of you know where as this team needs a leader that can stick around and truly implement his system so it's like clockwork. Same goes with each coach.
I agree, and I've been advocating for a more 4-3 base for a while now. Jets have done this plenty of times in games, but the personnel isn't complete. Heck it isn't complete for any base defense, in a way we are in a base defense purgatory. All this talk about 3-4 / 4-3 to me is non-sense cause Bowles wants to run both. I don't understand all this talk about transition time because the Jets have players that have experience in both schemes. You make Mo and Leonard DTs with Leonard playing 3-tech and Mo takes on lineman / double teams. Have them rush the passer from the interior. Sheldon could play right side DE, but the beauty is the fact that all 3 of these players can rotate in different spots and exploit matchups. Right now you got a linebacker in Lee that can play sideline to sideline, there needs to be an heir apparent to David Harris and the Jets need another speed rusher. The exotic blitz doesn't work as often, Falcons only blitzed Brady 5 times in the game and had success in the first half. Grady Jarrett had one hell of an impact.
I could have sworn your post was going to be about how New England had the #1 scoring defense by essentially keeping everything in front of them, limiting the big play and forcing teams to put together long mistakes-free drives. I've longed wanted to switch to this approach as we currently don't have the horses to play the aggressive blitzing type D.
After three years of posting how ridiculous and short sighted that method is I am glad to garner some of TGG support...finally So start with your OL ...draft a QB EVERY year...use FA to plug your Defensive holes with young not aging FAs Doesn't matter which Round you start in the draft (Rnds 1-4 sound about right) but get more offensive players...you won't regret it jmho
1 play away from getting the ball back in Pittsburgh in the AFCCG. We've been a defense first team and there is nothing wrong with that. We've been picking the wrong players for years now.
Meh, Atlanta's D got pressure early but they couldn't sustain it. They were gassed midway through the 3rd quarter. It wasn't just their fault, but unless you are loaded with studs on the dline, you aren't going to force pressure every time rushing 3 or 4 and sustain it for 60 minutes. I'm still bitter that Atlanta did so many things wrong to choke away that lead, when all they had to do is run the ball more. Dan Quinn was doing his best Mike Tomlin impression taking that risk with that pass play while trying to milk the clock and it failed miserably.
If the Jets draft Reuben Foster there's a chance it will lead to a 4-3. We don't currently have a 4-3 MLB on the roster but he would be it. Lee moves to WLB and Jenkins to SLB. Then we could get Mo, Leo and Shelly on the D-line along with Mauldin or a player to be drafted.
The bolded phrases are the crux of the matter. We aren't a 3-4 and we aren't a 4-3, and we don't excel at either. Switching is stupid imo. We need to get a HC who picks a system and sticks with it. Bowles may want to run both, but what good is that when the D can't stop anyone? You contradict yourself with the later bolded sentence. There would be a transition time because the base personnel isn't there for a 4-3 D. Yes, we have players who have experience playing a 4-3 alignment part of the time, but that doesn't mean that they're the right personnel or idea for that alignment. We don't have a single 4-3 DE on our roster. We don't have a strongside LB or a MLB. Those are all key positions in a 4-3 D alignment. I think the whole "exploiting matchups" is a bunch of bull bleep. The Jets are the ones who wind up getting exploited, not the other team.
Fans who want to draft Offense, keep in mind that Defense wins championships (duh). When top defenses face top offenses in the SB, teams with the top defense have won 8 out of the last 9 times. While flashy offenses are fun to watch and sell a lot of jerseys, it the teams with the top defenses that ends up winning so don't be too hard on MacCagnan when he drafts another defensive player this year.
To me it's all about putting the players in the best situation to succeed. The transition time in my opinion won't be much of a factor, Jets have already played 4-3 in several games already. Jets still need an inside linebacker to replace Harris and an edge rusher to compliment the interior pass rush. Leonard Williams, Muhammad Wilkerson, Jenkins, Lee all have experience in a 4-3 defense. Leonard and Mo would absolutely beast as DTs in a 4 man front. Lorenzo Maudlin was a 4-3 DE in college until his last year, Jordan Jenkins can play 4-3 DE. Bruce Carter had some of his best seasons playing strong-side LB. Darron Lee, the Weakside LB. We have certain pieces to run both schematics, but we are missing 2 key parts. Inside Linebacker / EDGE that can play coverage and rush the passer. However, I think looking for an EDGE rusher like that has been an issue for the Jets and they probably ended up passing on a lot of EDGE rushers because of it. Let's remember what Lorenzo said prior to the draft: http://www.buffalobills.com/news/ar...mstances/cf241d80-207f-40ed-bf5a-840477077072 I never forgot that. Jets exploit themselves because they are outsmarting themselves, they should be keeping it simple, but the Jets are doing everything they can to be some super hybrid defense and it hasn't panned out very well. Very hard to accomplish.
Yes, as I said, the Jets have played 4-3, but imo that doesn't necessarily mean they all play it well. I always used to prefer the 4-3, and hated the 3-4, so if they can effectively make the switch and it doesn't take 2-3 years to get all the pieces fine, I just want them to stick to one system. Period. One good thing about switching, it should always be easier to find a 4-3 pass rushing DE than a 3-4 OLB pass rusher. If they take Foster at #6 and can add a speed rusher somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd round, and feel confident they can play a 4-3 full time more effectively than the 3-4, I'm all for it. The thing is, as you said, Bowles won't do that. As long as he's here, he's gonna want to run hybrid fronts. I totally agree with your last sentences.
Jets got plenty of work to do. I think they need to look at their best young defensive players and scheme around them. Foster you know can play inside linebacker in any scheme. Some pass-rushers can play both 3-4 / 4-3. You could call it a switch, or you could call it a full commitment to a specific defense. Should be interesting to see how Bowles continues to coach this team because the team didn't respond to the game-plan very well.
I'm ready to say Fuck The 3-4 completely. Yeah, some players can play both philosophies, but I think unless you have a guy that mentally thrives doing that stuff, he gets frustrated and takes plays off. 4 years ago I watched Mo Wilkerson play every technique on the line against a team in the first 25 defensive snaps under Rex. Every technique, every position. And he was awesome at it. But he also suffered because he could never get a rhythm and was always facing a different blocker. I'm not surprised that he got lazy. Imagine watching players around the league stat in the same spot and rack up stats while you're jumping from pass rush to contain to center penetration to dropping into coverage? 3-4 doesn't work long term unless you have the right culture, coaching and the perfect set up for targeting mid round talent in the draft that teams like the Steelers and Pats have. And it takes a long time to establish those. We're going to have a 3-4 dominant defense again and we're going to give up a lot of yards because this guys loves to blitz a lot with 5-6 dbacks in the set. The creativity level of the 4-3 may not be all that impressive, but the results speak for themselves. NFL players aren't getting more intelligent across the board. But they are getting more athletic.
The Spread / Patriot offense made the base 3-4 obsolete. Brady destroys the Steelers each time he plays them. That zone blitz shit doesn't fly anymore, to beat Brady you have to get pressure from the interior. That quick passing game negates the exotic blitz packages in the 3-4. Mo and Sheldon should've been 2 DTs going after the QB from the interior from the very start. Sheldon as a 3 tech, Mo should've been the 1 technique. Mo takes on the double teams, stops the run and makes everyone better. Sheldon would've been a star, and no one would give a crap about him driving, smoking weed with a kid in the car. They are so talented, it's no reason why they shouldn't be getting close to 10 sacks a yr. Their respective roles on the team have been questionable, especially Sheldon. It's hard to gain momentum as you said. Jets will trade him to the Cowboys and he'll thrive. At least we got Williams, but the Jets could mess him up too. Personally, I think if the Jets are going to commit to a 3-4, it will require more attention in the draft in terms of draft picks and I don't think anyone is on board with that right now.
I don't think they're all that talented, but they fit the roles they're supposed so and they're well coached. And it's not the short passing game that makes their offense. That is just an extension of the running game to negate the wide coverage of 4 LBs. The short pass and run simply set up the intermediate and long passing game they use that floats around the inside of the hashmarks. They do throw outside, but only occasionally and when they need to. The league was playing into BB's hands when they started buying wholesale into the 3-4. Sucks. The Jets can switch to 4-3 and find a smart QB that can run a pro spread and be competitive, but they'll never do anything unless they find the right coach who knows how to manage a team and stock coaching talent. And who has a vision for his culture, and doesn't just want to emulate a patriarch. I takes more than a gimmick (Rex) to take you to the promised land.
I'm not saying they are all pro, but Mo / Sheldon have had big games before. I don't think they are being utilized good enough. In the run game, yes, but in the passing game, I don't think so. Mo was playing the role of speed rusher most of the year and he's a 300 pound lineman. The short passing game is pretty much their run game and they utilize their RBs to perfection. I do agree, the gimmicks don't work.
I will say in Bowles defense this defense isn't as talented as one would think. It's a misconception that the Jets defense is loaded because of all the resources allocated in the draft, but a lot of the players we have aren't very good. The one issue I have with Bowles is that he has never been able to get Williams, Wilkerson, and Richardson to gel together. With that said you would think Bowles could advise Mac to let Wilkerson walk and re-sign snacks.
Yeah, fashionable. That's like saying that workboots are fashionable on a construction site just because a couple of guys stepped on nails in their sandals. It's been a proven defense for the better part of a century and it's only evolved to prove that statement. The Jets bought high on the 3-4 defense when one of BB's unqualified butt boys brought it to the team. Then they couldn't fathom letting it go, so they hired two more coaches who proved it was a gimmick unless you had a real culture to support it. It's about time the Jets ditched the skater pants and band shirts, because they're a middle aged man that can't pull it off anymore. Time to put the 3 piece suit on, and this time not feel awkward when they tighten their tie. If you're into inadequate analogies, and all.
