If you're going to run this like a sniveling J lawyer you could make the case that both suck But using my normal human eye test with obvious football knowledge, I see easily that Todd is a complete shit flush but Macc has some skills and gets more time........ That's it and that's all
Oh sure, poor Bowles, nobody gives him any toys.... How fast we forget the stubbornness of sticking to failing Fitz
I agree that the power structure is terrible, but I see no rationale for Bowles to be fired and not Mac. Bowles has nothing to work with this year, and that is Mac's fault (or Woody's fault, or both). At the end of the day, who really knows. Bowles could be the worst coach of all time, but this could be the worst Jets team of all time. I dont believe Mac has earned the right to pick his own coach. In my opinion, either they both go, or neither go. I'm leaning towards both being fired, because the first pick could entice legitimate football people to come here.
Bowles has had 1 starting qb. I'm thinking he gets this and next year to see if he can get something out of another one.
You may very well be right. I am really in the middle on this because I am probably ok with either or happening. I think people can make legitimate arguments for letting go of both at years end, or retaining Macc and letting him hire a coach. I think getting rid of the vets on this roster was mandated by Woody - and his brother Chris because they saw the product on the field while having a bunch of older - overpaid vets. They knew that this season wasn't going to be much better so why take the million upon millions of dollars in lost earnings. Now, should we have retained Decker, I think we probably should have, but I think the Jets are gearing up to become drastically better in 2018 with the hopes of either drafting a QB high, or Hack or Petty ball out and show they can lead this franchise. Furthermore, we will have a ton of cap space. How the young players and QB's do will answer a lot
This is a loaded bullshit question. As soon as Fitz started failing, Bowles' (and yours!) "He gives us the best chance to win" line is just full of crap. Better for what? To finish with 4 vs 3 win, and maybe save his job? Or better for long-term plans to understand and develop a couple of young QBs?
Isn't his contract due at the end of this year? Regardless, I believe his future depends primarily on who is available to HC next OS.
He's certainly better than Idzik. I really think this year's draft has some excellent players in it, but its too early to tell.
Fitz was dog shit last year, starting with the Kansas City game, no arguing that. But I'm sorry, you're upset cause coach didn't pull the plug earlier and start "developing" Petty or Hack? He pulled Fitz at the end of week 5 for Geno, then Geno blows his ACL week 6. I'm not outraged Bowles didn't pull Fitz earlier for Geno F'n Smith. Forgive me for that. You make it sound like Bowles has been given a lot of talent at QB and he played the wrong guy........ Petty/Geno/ Hack would not have given us a better season last year plain and simple. If Bowles should get criticism, it should be how poorly and uninspired our D played in relation to it's talent.
To begin with, the Jets aren't tanking. Second, if you're a Jets fan, you should be used to losing. NONE of us like it, but one has to think, use some common sense, and patience. They'll be worse this year because they're finally doing what they should have done 3 years ago, rebuild. That means we'll be losing more this season while we develop young players for the future. We have an idiot for an owner, but he finally wised up and allowed Mac to do what needed to be done (tear it down and start over). Bowles has done absolutely nothing to show that he deserved this season, much less anything beyond this season. Mac hasn't been perfect by any means but I think he's done a good job under screwy circumstances. To begin with, the org chart is fucked with Mac and Bowles being equals and both reporting to Woody rather than Bowles reporting to Mac. Mac didn't have to take either Williams or Adams. Other GMs wouldn't have and didn't. They would have taken some player at a position of need or reached for a QB. Mac's first draft he had to work with Bradway and the sorry-ass scouting dept. that had been here, so that draft is a wash imo. Still, he did take Williams rather than reaching for another player at a position of need. It's funny that guys like you want to totally dismiss Mac taking Williams as "luck" and as if it's nothing, but the 5 GMs of teams drafting ahead of the Jets ALL passed on Williams, when he was the consensus best player in the draft. The first two teams took QBs, which is understandable, but the Jaguars, Raiders and Redskins all took other players. In that same draft, he found Dion Simon in the 7th round who is a quality backup and who may wind up starting this season, and Petty, who still has the potential to be at least a quality backup if not starting QB. If memory serves me correctly, Devin Smith did not have any injury history whatsoever. Mac cannot and should not be blamed for that. So out of that draft a 5th round pick didn't work out. Oh, that's so awful!!!! In his 2nd draft, every player is still on the team and contributing. Lee has speed and a ton of ability, and could break out this season. Hack could become our starting QB and FQB this season. It was a gamble, but a worthwhile gamble imo. Hack's young, has a very high football IQ, and a great arm. Jordan Jenkins, take in the 3rd round had a very good rookie season, and will probably be a quality starter for the next 7 years. Juston Burris, a 4th round pick, is pushing for the starting #2 CB position and looking very good in TC. Brandon Shell, our 5th round pick probably will be our starting RT. With our two 7th round picks he got our punter and a WR with a lot of potential who was a great value in the 7th round. Again, such an awful draft! In his 3rd draft, Mac did something that no GM has done much of, trade down and garner additional picks. He also took a player who was again the consensus best player in the draft and who has the potential to be a HOF-caliber player, that the 5 GMs before him passed on, and only one of those took a QB. In the 2nd round, Mac added another S who is very good, and who some think is almost as good as Adams. This should give the Jets a great S tandem for the next 2 years, and really help tighten up our pass defense. Both will probably make a lot of big plays and create TOs, something we haven't had a defender do in quite a while. In the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds, he added some good receiving prospects to help the offense. In the 5th round he took an OLB, who could very well finally give the Jets a dynamic pass rusher. In the 6th round he added a young RB with some speed and shiftiness who is also a very good receiver out of the backfield. In the 6th and 7th rounds, he took a couple of CBs who may help our STs and eventually our D. So we have a GM who hasn't panicked and reached for players, he has taken great players, he has traded down and garnered additional picks, and he has done something that few Jets GMs have done, i.e., find some starters and quality players in the middle and lower rounds of the draft. Could he have done some things differently, and perhaps better? No doubt, but again he has the handicap of working for a moron, and like all young GMs is learning on the job. If he's finally learning and doing things well, it would be completely stupid to fire him and start all over from scratch again. That GM might gut the team of half the young players we have now because he wants to hire coaches who use different offensive and defensive systems. He would have to learn on the job, he might want to change the scouting personnel, so we'd be starting over there, and odds are, he might not be nearly as good as Mac has been. It's easy to criticize the work someone else does. Why don't you tell us who you would have taken in each of those drafts? Of course, you'll have the advantage of hindsight and will be able to cherry pick players who we already know have succeeded.
Because he is. You couldn't be more wrong. Saying that Leonard Williams fell into our laps is stupid. He was the consensus best player in that draft and 5 other GMs who drafted ahead of the Jets passed on him. We did need a pass rusher more than another DL, but Beasley was very risky. I've been screaming for a topnotch OLB for at least 10 years and I wanted no part of Beasley. I'm not gonna waste any more of my time because it's obvious your mind is sealed shut and you don't want to see the good Mac has done because of a lack of patience.
That's not entirely true. Mac didn't have to sign the contract to come here along w. Bowles or vice versa.Same w. the whole power structure notion.Both are seasoned NFL team personnel & were highly regarded within other coaching searches that were going on at the time.Don't like the set-up OR who you're gonna work with OR the roster you're inheriting than just go elsewhere. They both agreed to this. While I think Mac is far more competent in his role it seems pretty clear that Bowles has played a large hand in a lot of the personnel decisions & draft choices. It takes 2 to make or break a program & they've just about bottomed us out offensively. Are they the one's to build it back up starting w. a #1 pick? Would anyone else put it past this duo to pass on QB all together for another Jamal Adams or Leonard Williams draft day scenario??Then what?
Yes, I'm upset he didn't pull Fitz in favor of Hack or Petty. Only selfish dumb HC would do this. Both you and him don't seem to comprehend that the goal is NOT winning an extra game or two, but to evaluate 2 young QBs.
