that revenue sharing they would want more of is what made the league as powerful as it is. i am amazed how many people are on the owners side on this issue. its kind of scary actually. i am sure one of them will be in here telling everyone how much of idiots they are any second.
I tend to agree with the OP's assessment of the current posture of the war between the owners and the players. Before I say more about that, though, the one thing that prevents me from being completely pro-player is I don't accept at face value that the former formula for dividing revenue was fair. I just don't know that it was. It might have been, but without knowing, I have to question it. That aside, in terms of where we are now, how we got here, and most importantly as a fan whether or not the next season will occur, and not be disrupted, it's clear to me the owners' position and legal strategy puts that at risk more than the players. For that reason alone I think those in the middle on this issue but who consider themselves fans should be on the players' side. The logic supporting my conclusion is that the owners' strategy is to try to grind down the players and create disunity among them in order to get them to agree to a new CBA that is more owner friendly. But that only works if the threat of a lockout breaks up that unity. The owners are apparently fine with and have prepared for no season, while the players clearly want there to be a season. That alone is reason to support the players. Now if I was an owner, I might talk myself into their strategy. Recognize that while the average player is in the game for just a few years, as an owner I have a longer involvement and interest in the situation. That in turn means i can and should take the long view. But I am not an owner. I am a fan. I want my football this year. I don't want to wait. F anyone who does. Hence, I am pro player.
I am pro-players because the owners are the ones who opted out of the current CBA. The players seemed to be fine with what they were getting. Either way just get this shit worked out and play ball. Not meeting is doing no fucking good at all. Get in a room and meet every single day until this is taken care of.
So, because they started the mess by opting out and now want to fix the problem that they caused the owners are the good guys? No, fuck those rich assholes. Everyone involved is rich, but I'll take the side of the rich ones who put thier health on the line for my enjoyment over the even richer pricks who own the teams.
I favour neither side also. Who's right or who's wrong? Come the start of the football season, people won't care about either side, we the fans just want football. To me both sides are like squabbling children who have done something wrong, and both are trying shift the blame onto the other before the shitstorm arrives. BTW, I pissed myself laughing over Switzerland having to apologise for being chicken-shits during WWII the other day.
I think the owners, while they are the ones who opted out of the cba and are looking to take more, have been more straightforward The player's Union's decertification is a complete sham, like anyone thinks they aren't a union anymore and won't be back right after this is over is an idiot, I think they should all be sitting at a negotiation table and not in a court
if it werent for the owners they would not have to be sitting at a negotiating table at all. once you go down the road of lockout then the gloves come off and things get dirty, i dont blame the players union one single iota for doing exactly what they did. the problem is that as of now it didnt work. listen here is the deal, every single person who is a fan of football is getting fucked in the ass by the owners, these scumbags arent going to lower ticket prices because they won the contract law with the players. they will continue to fuck everyone just as they have while proactively looking for new ways to fucke everyone including the players. they shouldnt be giving hte players more they should be giving YOU more. but no thats not going to happen. so fuck it i hope the players get some of that wasted money.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6587648 roger goodell is going to try and pull the old hey even though we are the douchebags that put us all in this situation look at the information it just proves that the owners are hurting.... gotta love it. even though i realize its all being put out there for the wrong reasons i am still happy that some fans have said fuck you nfl we dont need you.
I'm not against the players, but they don't own the teams. They don't have to play. They want to play, but they don't have to. They just can't take the ball with them when they go home.
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Not taking sides, but in fact the Union decertified before the lockout. They ended the mediation process, dismissing out of hand the last proposal given by the owners without coming back with a counter proposal. This prompted the League to lock them out. The player union decided they had a better shot at getting what they want through litigation, so they chose this route. We'll see if it works.
I'm shocked at the pro-anything movement. As usual in these kinds of disputes, both sides are wrong. Also, the player's union decertifying is a sham. I wish it would be simpler: decertify, and you're finished. You can't go back.
Completely agree with this Also wanted to thank Miamipuck for all that his three posts added to the discussion and for not just being a douche
Let's be real. The ONLY way the owners weren't locking out was if the players took a deal that was completely lopsided in the owners favor. AND the owners were the ones who OPTED OUT of the existing CBA when they had by far the #1 professional sport in the country.
Wouldn't it have been more productive to counter the league's proposal, which fell short financially of what the players want, but also gave the players many concessions not on the previous CBA. Isn't that what negotiating is? The owners knew the players weren't gonna accept the proposal, they said as much. But they expected the players union would come back with a counter. The players union was waiting for an excuse to decertify and take this to court, where they felt they had a better chance to get what they want. That's being real.
