Shaken Faith in the New Regime

So let me get this straight even though we moved the ball about as well as anyone in the league did against the top rated defense and our defense played their heads off............ Mangini had a miserable game?

Please, this dark sided unrealistic bullshit about how good a team they are has got to stop. They played two of the top two teams in the NFL and were 1-1. What did you expect 2-0?

This team needs another year or two to become an elite team and pull games like this out. The coaching staff was fine. They did not throw the two lollipops that got intercepted did they?

Also so he missed by being aggressive. It worked once previously this season. He had faith in our special teams and why not, they are on of the best ST sides in the league.

 

Alright, one more post before my drink.

For all the Penny haters, we are not even sniffing .500 without his great play early this season. His ability to lead and run this tricky no-huddle offense WITHOUT a viable running game and an underachieving defense is what has kept us afloat.

And I'll tell you something else, we will continue to live and die by #10, because there is no way you can just throw Ramsey or Clemens in there and expect them to run this offense with even a modicum of efficiency that Chad has exhibited.

So for the balance of the season, we're just going to have to sit back and deal with Chad's Jeckyl and Hyde tendencies.

Let's just hope we the running game and defense and overcome future poor performances by Chad.

 

I agree with your post, Chad is the only QB on the team that can run the O he just can't throw the ball and that in a nutshell is the problem.

 

My problem are the picks and the overthrows. The running game was there, the protection was there, the receivers got open. Everybody on the offense did their part against the best D in the league except for Chad. Why does he get a pass? I'm tired of it, to be honest. I'm not asking him to put up 300 yards and 4 TDs. Don't turn it over on the 5 yard line. Don't throw a pass up to nobody in particular ad turn it over. Try hitting a receiver instead of sailing it over his head. Is that too much to ask for? And when he fails, why is it OK?

 

I agree, he pretty much carried the offense earlier in the year. But I'm getting tired of the up and down nature of his play. I still believe he's our best option and don't want to see him benched, but we are not going far with him this year or in the future if he continues to struggle like this. If he's going to fold like this, how much more potential for success do we have with him?

 

it's pretty obvious the coaching staff lost faith in Chad.. and why not?

i can see it now: "y'all are overreacting over a bad performance by Pennington." well, how many bad performances do we have to endure until it's not considered overreacting?

i blame the Coaching Staff; but I blame Chad just as much. obviously, he can't throw deep, evidenced by our 2 deep attempts tody (against a D who CAN be beaten deep) and his inability to throw an out-route on target.

Chad played well against the Pats last week; he didn't play great, but he played good enough for us to win. this week, he was aweful. the D played as good as you can ask for. i honestly think it's time to look to the future.




cheers

 

excellent point.

there's no arguing that he gives us the best chance to win NOW.

but is NOW what it's about? he's not our future. plain and simple.



cheers

 

1) First of all, you can't give the coaching staff all of the credit for the defense bieng great and none of the blame for the offense sucking. You can't have it both ways.

2) Just because the Jets had low expectations coming into the season does not mean that it's OK for them to lose a winnable game in week 11. The fact of the matter is that Mangini made two really, really bad calls today that went a long way towards the Jets losing the game. Preseason expectations have nothing to do with this.

He had faith in the special teams. That's great. But that's no excuse for putting the game in jeopardy on the first play of the second half. With the way our defense was shutting down Chicago's offense, if Nugent kicks it off and the Bears start at their own 25, it's a totally different game. Mangini gave the Bears 3 free points because he thought that he could catch one of the most well prepared teams in football off guard, and he's lucky that it didn't cost him a touchdown.

Make excuses for the coaching staff all you want, but eventually if their game management doesn't improve we will start losing meaningful games. Games that will separate us from the elite teams in the NFL.

 

exactly^...the same people who get pissed because some of us fans get pissed at a loss love to say how Chad is our best option to win right now...yet every time we lose a game Im not allowed to be pissed because its a rebuilding year.someone please explain

 

Excellent points Cake.

Hey..lets face it...the coaching staff has shown who they have confidence in and who they do not.

Two things..one..they didnt even think about sending out Nugent to try a field goal. hmmmm.

Two..by punting with 6 minutes to go down 2 scores..your basically saying that the only chance you have to tie this game is by getting the ball back..scoring..and then an onside kick.

Any confidence at all in your qb and you go for it on fourth down...or you kick a field goal.

I have no problem at all not switching qbs right now...because going into this season..it was rebuilding. If we make the playoffs, we make the playoffs. Sending a rookie or Ramsey in there right now might be just throwing the season down the crapper.

We lose next week....you have to make the change...but we probably wont..so this back and forth might keep us alive for another 4 weeks.

 

Chad is the best QB on this team right now. We still have a pretty decent shot at the playoffs, and that's the most important thing, so we need to keep playing him.

Punting on 4th and 12 there isn't the worst idea. 12 yards in one play is not easy against a defense like the Bears.

 

LMAO. Gave them 3 free points. Yeah judging by the first half that missed onsides was without a shadow of doubt at least 3 gimme points. I know every aggressive call that goes wrong is a horrid call but if it goes right he is a genius.

I really like the suspect game management quote that is gold. Silly me for thinking that by taking a below average team in terms of talent and coaching them to the present level they were doing a good job.

We agree to disagree. I do not mind the onside call at all. I also see the team for what it is. A very well coached team that has over achieved and been in every game but one. When they get the right players they will be an elite team.


BTW if Chad could hit an open reciever today the game would have been different.

 

I can understand your point. The onsides kick was strategically a bad call. Even if we recovered, it still was ultra risky and may have been questioned regardless of the outcome.

Pennington had an extremely sub-par performance. His accuracy was off. No doubt. The first INT was very poor execution. Chad never took his eyes off of his receiver with Ulacher there in the middle. Just really bad execution. Ulacher is too experienced for that.

The second throw for an INT was even worse. He threw back across the field while falling backward. Of course it is going to be a duck. If you are rolling right, you bail to the right and vice versa. Then at least you always put the least distance between you and the sideline.

Bottm line: We did against the Bears what we have been doing in the prior New England (not the game we won) games and that is why we lost.

 

I think he did since he didn't reply to this. He loves to jump the gun, stir shit, and he does a good job of it, I give him credit...

 

I agree with you, Miamipuck.
If the onside kick was successful and the Jets turned the drive into three points of their own, everybody (well, at least almost everybody) here would be lauding the call. Most of us lauded the coaching staff and team for recovering an onside kick in the Indianapolis game.

The problem was the execution of the play. After that the defense could have stopped the Bears from scoring three points.

 

I was all for the onside kick against Indy. Basically, the Jets don't have the horses to run with Indy, and they don't, so they had to get dicey. As they did throughout that game.

But today was bad. In a 0-0 game where their offense has done nothing against the good play of the Jets D and you give them that field position? I could see if it was 17-13 Chicago and their offense has been dominant, but the way the D was playing, No. Thankfully the D toughed up and gave up only a field goal, regardless, bad spot to put that D in.

 

In the spirit of "can't we all just get along," I think most people feel that Pennington gives the team the best chance to win this year, and thereby potentially make the playoffs, and if that is what you view as most important, you want him to stay in there. The problem is that it's very difficult (for me at least) to see him leading the team to success in a year where the Jets don't have an absurdly easy schedule. For years the praise for Pennington was that "well, maybe he doesn't have the greatest arm, but he always manages a game well and never makes bad decisions." That just ain't true any more - he makes bad decisions all the time, and isn't talented enough to overcome them. He hasn't had a "great" game since the second game of the season, and with 10 INTs than 6 TDs in 8 games since then, how can anyone claim that he's played well? It seems clear to me that the coaching staff has lost faith in both him and Nugent, just as winston pointed out (as he said, the strange decisions today are consistent with exactly that). That doesn't mean he's going to be pulled for next week's game - I don't think there's any chance of that. Sooner or later, however, the Jets are going to have to find out if Clemens can lead them to real success, because I just don't see Pennington doing it.

 

And what did the Jets do on offense today that make you think we have the horses to run with Chicago? Ironically, the people arguing against the onside kick support the biggest reason why they claim it was a bad decision. That is, people support pennington, who couldn't muster even 3 points on offense, yet kill Mangini over giving up 3 points. How can you kill a guy for a decision that cost the team 3 points, yet had the chance to pay the same or greater dividends, while at the same time supporting a guy that gave up at least 7, if not more, because of his bad decisions? I don't understand this man love for Pennington, it has blinded so many of you.

 

It was 4th and 12, but the way I see it, if we were going to go on 4th and 7, why not 4th and 12.

Right now, Pennington gives us the best shot to win. Sorry, but that's the way it is. However, I think this season will be wasted at 8-8 if CLemens does not get some chance to play .... As soon as we get loss #7, I'd want to see him.