Each time you post on this subject confirms that you just started watching football this year. There were a million questions about Eli after his 3rd year and well into his 4th year until he and his D went on a run to win the SB. You should really stay out of this conversation as you have no clue what you are talking about.
You are joking right? Eli and Coughlin were both going to be run out of town quite possibly if the Giants don't win in 07. Eli looked lost and confused out there and the Giants were going nowhere. Go back and see if you can find articles about Eli. The owner/GM called him skittish and shaky. Teammates were criticizing him too. There was a possibility the Giants were looking in other directions. Until the past two years he wasn't considered anything more than average even with the SB win. Then last year his interceptions skyrocketed to 25. This year he played the best football, by far, he has in his whole career
Like you don't have an agenda. That's a laugh. Your agenda is to keep the boogie man away, the fear that the Jets will not improve as long as MS is the Qb, by repeating over and over that he's better than he really is, and ignoring the contrary evidence. I didn't say it was a good thing to have him pass that much in the Giants game, but let's be clear why it was such a bad thing - because he sucked. Barely better than 50% completions against that secondary in a game the Jets needed to keep a playoff berth in sight? My agenda is quite simple. I come here saying what I think and see if anyone has a better take on what is going on. It is testing arguments and using deductive reasoning to come up with a conclusion. I would like to be more optimistic about next season. I really would. But if the Jets do not get some other Qb in here to either push Sanchez or replace him at some point, I am pretty sure it will be a wasted season, and Ryan and the organization will lose even more cred as they continue to coddle Sanchez. I have yet to read a persuasive argument from anyone here that greater optimism is warranted. But I will keep looking. That's my F'ing agenda, buddy. What is yours again? Oh yeah, I get it.
Look, talking about idiot Giant fans and their bs opinions hardly means their organization had any thought of questioning whether Eli should be their starter. The Giants have a moronic fanbase for the most part. They used to boo Phil Simms for crying out loud. Jet fans are much more patient than Giant fans. Giant fans are prima donnas by comparison. But that is not the Giant organization.
I have no doubt that the Giants organization wasn't ready to give up on Eli after 3 years just as I have no doubt the Jets organization isn't ready to give up on Sanchez. That doesn't change the fact that their were as many if not more doubts outside the organization about Eli after year 3 as there are about Sanchez now.
To the first point, how do you have any idea what the Giants organization was thinking in Eli's 3rd year? So the bs opinions of a bunch of idiot Giant fans back then meant nothing but the bs opinions of a bunch of Jet fans today (not mentioning and names, ahem...) hold water why exactly? I'm not one of these people that believes Sanchez will become a great QB just because Eli did, but it's so ridiculous how people want to act like they knew all along that Eli was destined to be as good as he is now when back then he was being trashed by everybody. People need to quit with these bs hindsight arguments. To the second point... HUH? Jets fans are patient? Sorry, but after reading this forum for several years now that just sounds patently absurd.
Jet fans were far too patient with Chad for far too long. Same with Edwards, who was a clown from day one. We may disagree about Sanchez, but it is not limited to a question about him. there is a history here. Jet fans were supportive of Ken O'Brien while Simms, who was roughly on O'Brien's level, was being booed and booed by Giant fans. It was the Giant fans who hired that plane to fly over the Meadowlands saying what was it 15 years of mediocrity is enough. It wasn't a Jet fan who did that. Or look how fast they turned on Ray Handley. To your first point, duh, there is obviously a difference between what some percentage of fans think and what the internal view is by the organization. You are confusing the two.
This mantra like analogizing of Sanchez to Eli is ridiculous. Is this all Sanchez Fans have left? They are as different as beer and piss.
Different Qbs but the situations are very similar, I hope Sanchez works out like Eli has, time will tell.
Eli had to deal with Shockey and Barber in the huddle. Sanchez walked into the league with the best Defense, Special teams, running game and offensive line in Football his first two season. Ans a front office that coddled him like a 2 year old. If Eli would have had that dynamic he would have been elite a long time ago.
The Giants of 2004, 2005, and 2006 had one of the best running games in the league. Tiki Barber and the offensive line were great allowing for Eli to manage the game. Clearly you do not know what you are talking about.
You're the second person I've seen cite Tiki as a detriment to Eli's development. Please explain because I can't make any sense out of that.
Tiki Barber was critical (sometimes openly) of the Giant's game plans when Eli screwed up. He thought he should be the focus of the game plans and instead the Giants kept making Eli the focus and then turning to him to pick up the slack when that fell through. He clearly had something left in the tank when he retired to the sports analyst role but he had no welcome to return in NY and he didn't want to start over again somewhere else.
I get that but during Eli's first 3 seasons he had 1500+, 1800+ and 1600+ yards respectively. Whether he was upset with his role or not that's still a huge help to a young QB when you have a back putting up those kinds of numbers.
Another classic case of not knowing wtf you're talking about. That's the problem with people like you on this board, you don't even take the time to read what people say on here. if someone isn't posting hatred for Sanchez, they just get lumped in as a Sanchez lover. You could find numerous posts on here where I clearly state that Sanchez did suck this past year, but so did the entire offense. And based on the fact that this team has had some type of success with him as our QB I'm not willing to give up on him yet. See how he plays with a new OC. My agenda? It's called patience. If he sucks next season, time to move on. If that wasn't clear enough for you, I could draw you a picture. Since I've had the same stance for some time now and you still don't get it.
First of all I don't keep a running tally of who are the biggest Sanchez Fans here, although of course I know who some of them are. It is not my responsibility to have kept track of all your posts about Sanchez. I was referring to your criticism of an earlier post of mine that i think gave me adequate grounds to observe that you do not like to read criticisms of Sanchez. Having said that I did not specifically accuse you of being a Sanchez fan, so you misread my post. It was also entirely appropriate for me to object to your characterization of me as pursuing an agenda as if that makes me categorically different than everyone else here, including yourself. Well, you didn't take issue with that point, so now that we've cleared that up...
I think you're the one who has a short memory. Abe had ZERO impact on the Jets. Braylon is better. The sooner you recognize that, the more tolerable a poster you would become.
