Eli's 1st 3 years.........20-19 41 games 690/1276 54% 8,049yds 54TD 44INT Sanchez's 1st 3 years.........28-20 47 games 782/1414 55% 9209yds 55TD 51INT So in 6 more games and 138 more attempts........Sanchez threw 1,160 more yards, 1 more TD and 7 more INTS
You have that backwards, the only reason the Jets got to the playoffs those first two years was a very good defense, and a bit of luck. A good QB comes back when the defense falters...Sanchez has only two or three in his career won a game that the defense faltered even a little.
"Great" defense? It was very good in 2009, above average last year, and average at best this year. I know that defense hasn't always been a strong point for the Jets, but none of those defenses even approached great.
So the 6 fourth quarter comebacks/game winning drives in 2010 were all due to a great defense, eh? Eli had a top 10 defense last year yet where were the Giants in the playoffs? Also, the Giants D wasn't too shabby when Eli was a rookie and using your same logic, even if the D wasn't that good if Eli was such the great QB he is now then how come he couldn't lead his team to victories when the D faltered? Bottom line is that football is a team sport. Eli's two SB victories came with a hell of a lot of luck and when the Giants as a team, especially their D were playing their best football for the most part. I guess the 49ers returner muffing both a punt and a kick off were due to Eli's brilliant QB play, right? And before people think I'm jumping on Eli, I'm not. My point was to report what an NFL QB said this morning and the add my opinion that Sanchez is not the problem. That doesn't mean he doesn't need to improve, just that the team as a whole has to step up if we're going to win it all
I beg to differ. When you rank 1st, 3rd, and 5th in D, you're great. Doesn't make you an all-time great, but I don't know any other definition of great other than being in the top 5 of the league for 3 years. And I'm sick of everyone getting hung up on how young Sanchez is and how he's the future of this team. Who cares how young he is? The point is that he's 60% of the way through his contract and has shown us (so far) that he's not the future and below average (yes, below average). If he can show something next year, maybe that will change, but he has not shown that he's worth resigning so far unless it's for cheap. And I get the feeling it won't be anyway. I don't want to throw any more money at him until he proves he deserves it. If you think Sanchez hasn't been a liability so far for this team, then you're just being ignorant. He's only shown up in the playoffs, and I give him credit for that, but fact of the matter is, with an "average" QB or better, this team is better.
Mike it is refreshing to see someone other than a few of us post things like this. This is a spot on description of Mark. At what we are paying him he is not worth it, this team will not win anything at this rate. Brady will win 12 games on average every year. If Manning is healthy and goes to the Dolphins we might as well pack it in.
^ Whether it's "refreshing" or not, blackssmagic, the bottom line is this : It's all up to what Woody thinks. Not you. Not me. Not MikeSLTJ23. If Woody believes that Mark improved ENOUGH this next season, he'll give him an extension but I think the key is going to be the Jets GETTING BACK TO THE PLAYOFFS, IMO. If the Jets don't get back, then Woody will look at Mark's body-of-work with a more critical eye and determine if he's worth keeping around.... Mark would get a bit more leeway and acceptance if the Jets make the playoffs...
well this season is gonna be year 4 for Mark, do you think we'll back into the superbowl and win like the giants? i think we've, on paper, better personnel than giants did in '07 but time will tell
And that's why using total yardage allowed is a terrible indicator of how good a defense is. "Great" defenses do not allow a 99-yard TD on 3rd and 9 from the 1, allow Tim Friggn' Tebow to go the length of the field in crunch time or allow the Phins to go down the field on a 21 play drive for a TD.
Thanks for proving my point. How long ago was it we were in the stands chanting Kotite sucks. Fire Kotite. Running Glenn Foley out there opening day? Booing Chad Pennington off the field for being a man and hobbling off? Farve experiment? We have a coach and QB who have 3 years experience at their respective positions and 2 AFC championship appearances. Like I said you guys are insane if you want to throw that away.
very much in agreement w/ you. as i mentioned b4, past 3 years have been the best for the short time i have been a jets fan
Yeah, and that is really the point. People are crazy to compare Sanchez to Manning without comparing all the other people on both teams. The idea that Sanchez is better than Manning or as good as Manning based on their first three years is insanity. As they would say, Sanchez is no Eli Manning.
very true. just hoping the team comes together and has a fire under their ass to see the giants win the superbowl and bringing the first championship to the new stadium...if that doesn't get them fired up, dont know what will
There is a big difference between questioning whether a QB can be "elite" and whether a QB can be "decent". Eli Manning was always considered a "good" QB. No one questioned that. They questioned whether he could make the step up to "elite" status -- to be considered on the same level as his brother Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees. Sanchez has to step up significantly just to be considered a "decent" QB. Right now, he's barely mediocre. Sanchez is most definitely the biggest problem on offense. His inability to make presnap reads and holding the ball too long makes the OL look much worse than it is. His over-reliance on check-downs draws defenders close to the LOS, enabling them to shut down both the short passing game and the run game.
